Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs

[Kin]

Eagle eyed viewers playing at home might note that this year a first round pick has already been traded for David Perron, a forward who after 15 games on Sidney Crosby's wing is still one point behind Cody Franson.

 

[Madferret]

As Nik just pointed out it's now been at least 1 & 1/2 seasons since a GM has traded a 1st round pick for a defenseman.

 

[Deebo]

Also - comparing Franson to Karlsson 

What is wrong with comparing his powerplay point totals to those that are considered elite powerplay players?

No one is saying Franson is as good as Karlsson, just that he is a strong powerplay producer, 19th in the league for PP points for D since he joined the Leafs.

 

[wnc096]

I suppose we'll find out soon enough what Franson's worth is on the trade market....I'd like to point out that there were only 3 1st round picks traded the whole of last season (from the start of 2013/14 season up until the deadline): one in the Marty St. Louis deal / one in the Vanek deal / one in the Miller deal. With respect those 3 players are in a bit of different league skill wise than Cody Franson.

Also - comparing Franson to Karlsson 

Finally someone one with a bit of perspective.  People are touting Franson (other leafs trade chips) like they are blue chip players.  They are average players on a terrible team, and other teams recognize that. 

When Antropov got traded a few years back he was a soon to be free agent with 21 goals at the deadline.  He mustered a second round pick.  Franson is slightly better than that...but not much.  he'll get a late 1st (25+) or a second and marginal prospect IMO

 

[Deebo]

I suppose we'll find out soon enough what Franson's worth is on the trade market....I'd like to point out that there were only 3 1st round picks traded the whole of last season (from the start of 2013/14 season up until the deadline): one in the Marty St. Louis deal / one in the Vanek deal / one in the Miller deal. With respect those 3 players are in a bit of different league skill wise than Cody Franson.

Also - comparing Franson to Karlsson 

Finally someone one with a bit of perspective.  People are touting Franson (other leafs trade chips) like they are blue chip players.  They are average players on a terrible team, and other teams recognize that. 

When Antropov got traded a few years back he was a soon to be free agent with 21 goals at the deadline.  He mustered a second round pick.  Franson is slightly better than that...but not much.  he'll get a late 1st (25+) or a second and marginal prospect IMO

A late first is what people around here think he'll go for.

McKenzie tweeted that asking price is a 1st and prospect and its a reasonable starting point for an asking price. No one expects a blue chip prospect in a deal for Franson and most expect him to go to a team with potential to go deep into the playoffs so that's a late first.

A 33 year old Kaberle got a 1st, a 2nd and Joe Colborne and IIRC Toronto was negotiating exclusively with Boston.Kyle Quincy got traded for a first round pick at the 2012 dead line.

As for Santorelli, no reason the Leafs can't get a 2nd round pick for him. Dominic Moore was moved for a 2nd 3 times in his career.

Unless I'm missed reading it, I don't think anyone has wild expectations for what Franson and Santorelli return in trades.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

As Nik just pointed out it's now been at least 1 & 1/2 seasons since a GM has traded a 1st round pick for a defenseman.

How long has it been since a top-20ish offensive defensemen was traded?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Also - comparing Franson to Karlsson 

I know, and comparing 15 to 17.  As if 15 even holds a candle to 17.  It's more than 1 less!

 

[Crucialness Key]

I think I see the plan now:

1) Tank, draft Dylan Strome
2) Trade Kessel to NYI for Ryan Strome (+more)
3) Nylander-D.Strome-R.Strome
4) fix rest of team
5) Cup 

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Dave Nonis comments about a variety of GM decisions:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1yXqRvuszQ&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

 

[Boston Leaf]

Dave Nonis comments about a variety of GM decisions:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1yXqRvuszQ&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

that is hilarious

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dave Nonis comments about a variety of GM decisions:

"He even showed me his David Clarkson jersey!"

haha, I didn't expect to laugh at that but it was funny.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Dave Nonis comments about a variety of GM decisions:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1yXqRvuszQ&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

That laugh is just so contagious.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So in Elliotte Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts he mentions Bozak has a list of teams he can be traded to.

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

Also:

2. There?s increased chatter around Bozak, as Damien Cox reported last Saturday. As a general rule, the tightened cap has teams nervous about term, and he?s got three years remaining with a $4.2M hit. He?s had a rough year and a change of scenery benefits everyone. What do potential trade partners see in him? If it?s a No. 2 centre, that cap number is reasonable. If a No. 3, it?s high. But this is a move Toronto is trying to make.

3. Mike Santorelli is going to be interesting. The Toronto forward has a lot going for him: he?s a good player and he can move up and down your lineup at both centre and wing. His cap hit is a delicious $1.5 million. The longer the Maple Leafs hold on, the more teams can be involved. Even the tightest could get him. Right now, we?re probably looking at a second-rounder in exchange. But, could demand drive that any higher?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-toronto-maple-leafs-phil-vessel-nhl-trade-deadline-2015/

 

[bustaheims]

So in Elliotte Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts he mentions Bozak has a list of teams he can be traded to.

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

I'm pretty sure every multi-season UFA contract Nonis has negotiated includes a limited NTC.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson, Phaneuf, and Robidas all have some sort of trade protection. In other words every multi-year UFA-eligible player who signed a contract with Nonis.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So in Elliotte Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts he mentions Bozak has a list of teams he can be traded to.

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

I'm pretty sure every multi-season UFA contract Nonis has negotiated includes a limited NTC.

And a 2nd round pick and some retained salary.

 

[Kin]

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson, Phaneuf, and Robidas all have some sort of trade protection. In other words every multi-year UFA-eligible player who signed a contract with Nonis.

Ultimately I tend to not think that that a limited NTC ends up being too much of an obstacle. I mean it might knock the value down a little but unless it's a "I can only be traded to 8 teams" sort of thing then having a short list of teams you can't be traded to probably doesn't matter much.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Ultimately I tend to not think that that a limited NTC ends up being too much of an obstacle. I mean it might knock the value down a little but unless it's a "I can only be traded to 8 teams" sort of thing then having a short list of teams you can't be traded to probably doesn't matter much.

You're probably right. I have always wondered if we'd ever see a type of situation where a player/agent create a list of say 14 teams they'd accept a trade to but have say 10 or 12 of those teams not actual realistic trade partners. Like say with Phaneuf, if he wanted to control his list a little better he could find a bunch of teams that are pretty much set at top-4 D and say he'd accept a trade to those guys plus one other team.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson, Phaneuf, and Robidas all have some sort of trade protection. In other words every multi-year UFA-eligible player who signed a contract with Nonis.

Ultimately I tend to not think that that a limited NTC ends up being too much of an obstacle. I mean it might knock the value down a little but unless it's a "I can only be traded to 8 teams" sort of thing then having a short list of teams you can't be traded to probably doesn't matter much.

Given the state of the team (and the fan base) it wouldn't surprise me to see guys open that list up to some more potential destinations.

 

[Redleaf]

So Bozak got a limited NTC?!

Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson, Phaneuf, and Robidas all have some sort of trade protection. In other words every multi-year UFA-eligible player who signed a contract with Nonis.

Ultimately I tend to not think that that a limited NTC ends up being too much of an obstacle. I mean it might knock the value down a little but unless it's a "I can only be traded to 8 teams" sort of thing then having a short list of teams you can't be traded to probably doesn't matter much.

Given the state of the team (and the fan base) it wouldn't surprise me to see guys open that list up to some more potential destinations.

That's just it. In the bigger picture, these guys are smart enough to pick up on whether or not they are wanted here anymore. I have to think it would become unbearable, to continue pulling that jersey over your head game after game when you know the only reason you're still with the team is because you were a dick about it.