Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[freer]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

OR... you could do...

Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin
Raymond - Holland - Clarkson or injury replacement

MADNESS!!!!!!!

I say Lupul Holland Kulemin
Raymond Kadri -????

Because I dont like the way kadri is playing as of late.

Yes, this please.  I've been wanting to split Kulemin and Clarkson up for a while, and likewise with moving Lupul back to the left wing.  It's easy to accomplish both of these things at the same time. 

The only question is whether Kulemin or Clarkson is on the 2nd or 3rd line, and likewise with Holland and Kadri.  I'd try it a few ways just to see what clicks, but those combinations make the most sense to me.  My money is on:

Lupul Holland Kulemin
Raymond Kadri Clarkson

Admittedly, the current 3rd line looked good vs Buffalo, but that was one game, and the 2nd line is still dragging a little.  I say mix it up.

I was only suggesting those lines while Clarkson is hurt. I honestly think that Clarkson and Kulemin are playing well together, if not the best line in the last few games.

 

[Stickytape]

Oh balls, I hadn't realized Clarkson was on the IR.  I knew he was hurt, but I thought/hoped it was more temporary than that.

 

[Zee]

Oh balls, I hadn't realized Clarkson was on the IR.  I knew he was hurt, but I thought/hoped it was more temporary than that.

Will it make any difference the way Clarkson is playing???

 

[bustaheims]

Why his play would suggest that he would be signed again. I would pay him 2.5 - 3. a season

2 goals in his last 21 games. He started the season really well, but has basically disappeared since. And, while he has 10 points in that span, 4 came in one game. When he's not producing offensively, he's basically worthless. He's not good defensively and he's not an aggressive forechecker, either. Let someone else pay him to basically show up once every 3 or 4 games.

 

[ZBBM]

FIRE CARLYLE








Just staying in Game Shape.

 

[Highlander]

Randy for Coach of the Year?.LOL

 

[bustaheims]

FIRE CARLYLE

Just staying in Game Shape.

This upcoming road trip could be a rough one. Staying in game shape is the way to be.

 

[freer]

Why his play would suggest that he would be signed again. I would pay him 2.5 - 3. a season

2 goals in his last 21 games. He started the season really well, but has basically disappeared since. And, while he has 10 points in that span, 4 came in one game. When he's not producing offensively, he's basically worthless. He's not good defensively and he's not an aggressive forechecker, either. Let someone else pay him to basically show up once every 3 or 4 games.

So a player who has played on  good half in Kadri should be traded because he has too much up side, but comes to play once every 5 games , you want to keep. And a UFA on a 1 million contract and will like have 45 - 50 points this year you don't want. OK I get. That messed up. Every one on the team has gone through dry spells. Honest don't see the difference between the two players, other then I see Raymond playing with more energy game in and game out IMO

 

[bustaheims]

So a player who has played on  good half in Kadri should be traded because he has too much up side, but comes to play once every 5 games , you want to keep. And a UFA on a 1 million contract and will like have 45 - 50 points this year you don't want. OK I get. That messed up. Every one on the team has gone through dry spells. Honest don't see the difference between the two players, other then I see Raymond playing with more energy game in and game out IMO

Well, I'm not sure if I've accurately deciphered what you said here, but, I'll try to sort through it. I never said anything about Raymond being traded, but, rather, he should not be re-signed with the kind of raise you're talking about because of his performance of late. On top of that, he's a very established player - it's well known what he is and what he provides - whereas Kadri is still young and only in his 2nd full season in the league. It's very possible he's just going through the very common "sophomore slump" and will adjust by next season and return to being a much higher ceiling player than Raymond has ever and will ever be. Raymond also has a long standing reputation of only showing up every few games, whereas Kadri has really only had that issue this season. If you can't see the difference between the two players, it's because you're looking a pretty narrowing range rather than seeing the big picture. I also honestly don't know what energy you're talking about. Before last night's game, I honestly can't remember the last time Raymond made a mark on a game. What I see is a guy that, most nights, is just going through the motions when he doesn't have success early in the game.

If Raymond wants to come back for $1M again next season, then maybe it's worth considering, but, really, that's a position on the team that can and should be filled by someone like Leivo or another younger player already in the system. And, yeah, if the Leafs get can get a decent return by trading him at the deadline, regardless of their position in the standings, I probably make that move, because he can be replaced in house. Kadri, on the other hand, can not.

 

[2badknees]

I think it would be a mistake to put too much bearing on last night's game. It was fun to watch, but the Leaf forwards match up well against Montreal, because they don't play a trap or limit space like so many other teams that the Leafs struggle against.

Wide open, back and forth hockey is fun. Too bad we don't see more of it. That's why I love watching 4 on 4 in the overtime period... last night had a lot of that sort of action through the whole game.

 

[bustaheims]

I think it would be a mistake to put too much bearing on last night's game. It was fun to watch, but the Leaf forwards match up well against Montreal, because they don't play a trap or limit space like so many other teams that the Leafs struggle against.

That, and no matter the level of talent on the team or how well or poorly they've been playing, the Leafs have a tendency to show up with their "A" game against the Habs.

 

[Tigger]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

Not that I'm disagreeing about where's best to use him but wasn't the problem in Anaheim that there were a few players ahead of Lupul on the right side as opposed to him struggling there? I thought Carlyle admitted he erred when he didn't think Lupul could cut it on the left side.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This is pretty interesting.  Extraskater.com added 2011-12 game data, and you can see the point at which Carlyle takes over from Wilson.

http://www.extraskater.com/team/toronto-maple-leafs/2011#cumulative-5v5-close-ff

In that one, you can see the team, after a poor start and then a rebound, hovering around 48% most of the season.  Carlyle took over March 3, 2012 which is the little peak directly up from "2012-03-06" below.  You can hover your mouse on the point to read the game and the score (vs. MTL).  Basically from that point it started to go south....


http://www.extraskater.com/team/toronto-maple-leafs/2012#cumulative-5v5-close-ff

In this section I never made myself look dumb by forgetting about the lockout.  Busta's quote is a lie.  But it shows that, other than 3 games in January, the Leafs were never over 48% FF for the rest of the season.

Fenwick: Fenwick is the number of unblocked shot attempts by a team or player. It's the same as corsi, but excludes shots that are blocked. It's used because over many games it's a slightly better proxy for possession than corsi. It's not used exclusively instead of corsi mainly because over smaller sample sizes, the larger corsi number is more accurate in reflecting puck possession.

FF%: Fenwick for percentage

Also fun to look at how Phaneuf's Corsi for % has cratered under Carlyle: http://www.extraskater.com/player/162/dion-phaneuf#dashboard

 

[bustaheims]

For some reason ES.com doesn't have the first half of 2012-13, so we only have from Jan 2013 onwards.  But it shows that, other than 3 games in January, the Leafs were never over 48% FF for the rest of the season.

It's almost like there were no games before January of the 12-13 season . . .

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

For some reason ES.com doesn't have the first half of 2012-13, so we only have from Jan 2013 onwards.  But it shows that, other than 3 games in January, the Leafs were never over 48% FF for the rest of the season.

It's almost like there were no games before January of the 12-13 season . . .

Hah, oh wow - whoooosh x 1000 there.

I've even had coffee...

 

[L K]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

Not that I'm disagreeing about where's best to use him but wasn't the problem in Anaheim that there were a few players ahead of Lupul on the right side as opposed to him struggling there? I thought Carlyle admitted he erred when he didn't think Lupul could cut it on the left side.

Yeah, he admitted it when he came here and had Lupul's production shoved in his face by reporters.  But I think that states the problem.  Lupul is a "natural" RW and the Ducks had Perry and Selanne ahead of him on the depth chart.  Carlyle wasn't willing to play Lupul at LW.    He also felt that Lupul was done as a player and wasn't capable of top 6 minutes.

Fast forward to Toronto and Lupul is a near PPG player for a season and a half.  Injuries up the middle "forced" Carlyle to play Lupul back at RW and his production dropped.  It was tinkering for no reason.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 13m
Lupul on line struggle: Ideally I'd lwant to play on the left wing, that's where I'm much more comfortable, hasn't been the case w/ Injuries

Injuries? The top-9 wingers have been healthy ever since Lupul moved to the right wing.

Carlyle logic:  Lupul, struggles at RW in Anaheim; a PPG player on the LW.  Play him at RW regardless.  It seems pretty absurd to give line preference to Mason Raymond who most likely won't be a Leaf next year.

Not that I'm disagreeing about where's best to use him but wasn't the problem in Anaheim that there were a few players ahead of Lupul on the right side as opposed to him struggling there? I thought Carlyle admitted he erred when he didn't think Lupul could cut it on the left side.

Yeah, he admitted it when he came here and had Lupul's production shoved in his face by reporters.  But I think that states the problem.  Lupul is a "natural" RW and the Ducks had Perry and Selanne ahead of him on the depth chart.  Carlyle wasn't willing to play Lupul at LW.    He also felt that Lupul was done as a player and wasn't capable of top 6 minutes.

Though this season so far it's been:

@jonasTSN1050  Jan 19

Though he prefers LW, Joffrey Lupul has actually been more productive at RW this season. 16 pts in 23 games at RW vs. 9 pts in 17 gms at LW.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

For some reason ES.com doesn't have the first half of 2012-13, so we only have from Jan 2013 onwards.  But it shows that, other than 3 games in January, the Leafs were never over 48% FF for the rest of the season.

It's almost like there were no games before January of the 12-13 season . . .

Hah, oh wow - whoooosh x 1000 there.

I've even had coffee...

Oh, man, all that credibility squandered in one post...

 

[Frank E]

For some reason ES.com doesn't have the first half of 2012-13, so we only have from Jan 2013 onwards.  But it shows that, other than 3 games in January, the Leafs were never over 48% FF for the rest of the season.

It's almost like there were no games before January of the 12-13 season . . .

Hah, oh wow - whoooosh x 1000 there.

I've even had coffee...

Oh, man, all that credibility squandered in one post...

It really is disappointing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Such a grade 1 teacher move.