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Gardiner is an amazing skater and a pretty darn good offensive talent, but he was downright awful many nights in his own zone especially with giveaways.. Very below average defensively
RFA Contract Talks Thread
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BlueWhiteBlood
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Boston Leaf said:
Rather than his defensive game being off, I think it's his over-confidence. He knows what he can do on the ice, which is considerably more than other blueliners, so he gambles way too much. It ends up costing him in his defensive stats I think.
If he learns to fine tune his game, I agree with Potvin, his game will take off, especially with the top PP time.
GhostofPotvin29
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I think you could make the "a lot of giveaways" claim to a huge portion of the league's D corps and especially so to players like Gardiner for a simple reason - they have the puck more often. Consistently there are great players who lead the league in the tracked giveaways stat simply because if you have the puck more often you have more opportunities to lose it as well.
I don't think Gardiner makes any more or less giveaways pro rata than any other similar defenceman and I actually think his defensive game is somewhat underrated because he's not a prototypical smash/bang d-man and isn't the quiet/steady sort of d-man either - he uses positioning and uses his skating and puck skills to transition quickly out of the zone. Different kind of way to be a good defenceman but just as effective I think.
Not saying he's going to be winning the Norris but I don't think he's anywhere near as bad defensively as is sometimes stated.
I don't think Gardiner makes any more or less giveaways pro rata than any other similar defenceman and I actually think his defensive game is somewhat underrated because he's not a prototypical smash/bang d-man and isn't the quiet/steady sort of d-man either - he uses positioning and uses his skating and puck skills to transition quickly out of the zone. Different kind of way to be a good defenceman but just as effective I think.
Not saying he's going to be winning the Norris but I don't think he's anywhere near as bad defensively as is sometimes stated.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Yup, especially since arbitrators look at where the players were statistically when they signed their deals, not how they produced afterwards.
GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
And they won't be considering who lets out more rebounds or looks calmer in net or was in net for game 7 or fan perception.
Kin
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Deebo said:
But that's my point. I could buy Bernier as a comprarable to Reimer two years ago because they had fairly comparable experience in the league(62 games for Bernier to 71 for Reimer) but Reimer will be negotiating this contract having played more than twice as many games including two seasons where he was a given a shot as a #1 goaltender.
bustaheims
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FriedgeHNIC: In arbitration, player and team must submit figure 48 hrs before hearing. First to go is Cody Franson (TOR)...
FriedgeHNIC: Franson has submitted $4.2M. TOR has submitted $2M. They can still settle beforehand.
FriedgeHNIC: Also, arbitrator does not have to choose those figures...can go in middle, or, in rare cases, above.
FriedgeHNIC: Franson has submitted $4.2M. TOR has submitted $2M. They can still settle beforehand.
FriedgeHNIC: Also, arbitrator does not have to choose those figures...can go in middle, or, in rare cases, above.
BlueWhiteBlood
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If they land at 3.25 AAV, I think that is fair, but I believe the Leafs still try to sign him early for that and trade him.
I've got a feeling the arbitrator is going to be much more convinced of Franson's arguement. I don't see how you can make the case that he's worth $2mil.
BlueWhiteBlood
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CarltonTheBear said:
No, the Leafs are clearly low-balling here. They should have added at least a 10-20% raise on last years figure.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah. They're basically saying he doesn't deserve a raise from last season, but, at the same time, a lower offer on their end does give the arbitrator a little more leeway in terms of coming down somewhere in between. My guess is they're hoping this will bring down the award a little.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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It was reported by Mirtle that the Leafs and Franson are expected to reach a last minute deal before tomorrow's hearing. It's expected tha they will split the difference on the contract, so look for Franson to get in the region of 3.1 million per.
Highlander
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Hopefully a sign and trade.
Rebel_1812
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I'm not a big fan of franson and hope they trade him.