Rick Nash to NYR

[Kin]

Busta, you do have to admit that it's sort of underwhelming.  Realistic, yes, but given all the talk this site's patrons engaged in - "Sure, it would be great to get Nash, but the acquisition cost would be too much" - seeing what the Ranger's actually paid to land him sort of makes me wish the Leafs could have been part of the game.

I don't know that the Leafs have comparable pieces though. They don't have the sort of forwards given up and, in terms of defensive prospects, they have better ones in Gardiner or Rielly but I think people would have hated to have given that up.

 

[bustaheims]

Busta, you do have to admit that it's sort of underwhelming.  Realistic, yes, but given all the talk this site's patrons engaged in - "Sure, it would be great to get Nash, but the acquisition cost would be too much" - seeing what the Ranger's actually paid to land him sort of makes me wish the Leafs could have been part of the game.

I'd argue that the equivalent from the Leafs would have been too much for them to give up. The Rangers had a lot of depth to work with to make this deal. They can afford to give up these pieces without having a significant impact on their current talent level. That's not true of very many other teams in the league. I'd also say it's not underwhelming at all - I strongly believe this deal makes Columbus a better team than they were with Nash.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Well, short-term, it favours the Rangers, but, I think part of it is that they got the big name, which always makes things seem better. Long-term, I think this is better for Columbus.

Pretty much how I feel will happen.

 

[bustaheims]

Its cap neutral for next season, assuming Erixson would have been on the NHL roster in NY next season.

They're somewhere around 58 mllion now, so they do have some flexibility to try and adress the centre depth issue.

The deal itself is cap neutral, but, they move out 3 players and bring one back, which means, at the very least, they're a little over $1M closer to the cap than they were before, just by virtue of having to replace those 2 players with minimum salary guys.

 

[Frank E]

I agree with this:

Daren Millard‏@darenmillard
170 days of waiting for the right deal and this package is the best howson produces. I am really surprised. #snet

I don't know why. Nash had a limited market both by virtue of his cost, his cap hit and his NTC. It seemed like he was insisting on going to places that weren't going to have pieces like a Huberdeau or a likely top 5 pick.

What's that saying about "the best player wins the deal"?

Obviously Columbus was looking at building blocks, and NYR is looking at a Cup run. 

I think Columbus did just fine (obviously time will tell), and Sather got the impact player he needed.

Two teams with two different short term agendas, and I think both executed with those agendas in mind.

I'm getting a little frustrated though watching other teams move in "a" particular direction, and the Leafs still pretty much all over the place. 

 

[Deebo]

Nash played in more All-Star games than playoff games in Columbus.

 

[Omallley]

I don't know if I'd call this a great deal for the Rangers. It's not a bad deal. They add a quality player without sacrificing top level talent, but, their depth takes a hit, especially down the middle. They probably come out ahead, but, I'd say Columbus does as well.

Its cap neutral for next season, assuming Erixson would have been on the NHL roster in NY next season.

They're somewhere around 58 mllion now, so they do have some flexibility to try and adress the centre depth issue.

Very little UFA wise right now, although Dom Moore and Blaire Betts could be fourth line options.

 

[Kin]

The deal itself is cap neutral, but, they move out 3 players and bring one back, which means, at the very least, they're a little over $1M closer to the cap than they were before, just by virtue of having to replace those 2 players with minimum salary guys.

Although the way this pushes people down the depth chart two minimum salary guys isn't far off the likely addition.

I mean I listed the top 6 above but they still have Boyle, still have Kreider, still have some very interesting guys in the AHL...

 

[Champ Kind]

Busta, you do have to admit that it's sort of underwhelming.  Realistic, yes, but given all the talk this site's patrons engaged in - "Sure, it would be great to get Nash, but the acquisition cost would be too much" - seeing what the Ranger's actually paid to land him sort of makes me wish the Leafs could have been part of the game.

I don't know that the Leafs have comparable pieces though. They don't have the sort of forwards given up and, in terms of defensive prospects, they have better ones in Gardiner or Rielly but I think people would have hated to have given that up.

Just spitballing, here, but wouldn't something like this have *maybe* worked?

Kulemin = Dubinsky
Bozak = Anisimove
Percy = Erikson
Mid-level Prospect + Leafs' 2'nd = Ranger's First

I'll agree that Nash to Leafs doesn't make the same sense as Nash to the Ranegrs, given the relative disparity in talent, prospects for short-term success, etc.  Still, though, for a fan base hungry for elite talent, it stings a bit to see high-end players acquired for less than (I) expected.

 

[Kin]

What's that saying about "the best player wins the deal"?

I don't know but, realistically, it should probably be retired or, at the very least, only be used in hindsight.

 

[bustaheims]

Also, in terms of the Rangers' cap flexibility - they still have to re-sign Del Zotto and add at least one more defencemen in addition. McDonaugh, Stepan and Hagelin are all RFAs next summer and so on. It doesn't cause them a lot of difficulties this season (depending on how the new CBA plays out), but adding another big money contract could certainly cause them a fair amount of pain next summer and in future summers.

 

[Champ Kind]

Busta, you do have to admit that it's sort of underwhelming.  Realistic, yes, but given all the talk this site's patrons engaged in - "Sure, it would be great to get Nash, but the acquisition cost would be too much" - seeing what the Ranger's actually paid to land him sort of makes me wish the Leafs could have been part of the game.

I'd argue that the equivalent from the Leafs would have been too much for them to give up. The Rangers had a lot of depth to work with to make this deal. They can afford to give up these pieces without having a significant impact on their current talent level. That's not true of very many other teams in the league. I'd also say it's not underwhelming at all - I strongly believe this deal makes Columbus a better team than they were with Nash.

Your statement above is likely true.  And hindsight may prove that acquiring Nash may be a "be careful what you wish for" proposition.  But for now, I really like what this deal does for the Rangers, moreso than what it does for Columbus.

 

[Kin]

Just spitballing, here, but wouldn't something like this have *maybe* worked?

Kulemin = Dubinsky
Bozak = Anisimove
Percy = Erikson
Mid-level Prospect + Leafs' 2'nd = Ranger's First

No. I'd take what the Rangers gave up over that package without the tiniest hesitation.

 

[Fanatic]

Expectations of nash are increased. Now we find out if he is that good or not. I wonder.

 

[Jalili]

The Rangers had the depth to make this happen. The future still looks bright for them and they have a Stanley Cup caliber roster right now.

 

[Jalili]

Just spitballing, here, but wouldn't something like this have *maybe* worked?

Kulemin = Dubinsky
Bozak = Anisimove
Percy = Erikson
Mid-level Prospect + Leafs' 2'nd = Ranger's First

No. I'd take what the Rangers gave up over that package without the tiniest hesitation.

You and me both.

 

[Deebo]

I don't know if I'd call this a great deal for the Rangers. It's not a bad deal. They add a quality player without sacrificing top level talent, but, their depth takes a hit, especially down the middle. They probably come out ahead, but, I'd say Columbus does as well.

Its cap neutral for next season, assuming Erixson would have been on the NHL roster in NY next season.

They're somewhere around 58 mllion now, so they do have some flexibility to try and adress the centre depth issue.

Very little UFA wise right now, although Dom Moore and Blaire Betts could be fourth line options.

I was thinking someone through trade, someone in a similar contractual situation as Connolly.

If they go Richards/Stepan/Trade/Moore.

 

[dappleganger]

Busta, you do have to admit that it's sort of underwhelming.  Realistic, yes, but given all the talk this site's patrons engaged in - "Sure, it would be great to get Nash, but the acquisition cost would be too much" - seeing what the Ranger's actually paid to land him sort of makes me wish the Leafs could have been part of the game.

I don't know that the Leafs have comparable pieces though. They don't have the sort of forwards given up and, in terms of defensive prospects, they have better ones in Gardiner or Rielly but I think people would have hated to have given that up.

Just spitballing, here, but wouldn't something like this have *maybe* worked?

Kulemin = Dubinsky
Bozak = Anisimove
Percy = Erikson
Mid-level Prospect + Leafs' 2'nd = Ranger's First

I'll agree that Nash to Leafs doesn't make the same sense as Nash to the Ranegrs, given the relative disparity in talent, prospects for short-term success, etc.  Still, though, for a fan base hungry for elite talent, it stings a bit to see high-end players acquired for less than (I) expected.

I had Kulemin, Gardiner, Bozak and a 1st for Nash.

Kulemin=Dubinsky
Gardiner>Erixon
Bozak=Anisimov
Leafs 1st>Rangers 1st

If you could get Gardiner outta that deal for someone else its looking pretty good for the Leafs.

 

[Kin]

I don't know if I'd call this a great deal for the Rangers. It's not a bad deal. They add a quality player without sacrificing top level talent, but, their depth takes a hit, especially down the middle. They probably come out ahead, but, I'd say Columbus does as well.

Its cap neutral for next season, assuming Erixson would have been on the NHL roster in NY next season.

They're somewhere around 58 mllion now, so they do have some flexibility to try and adress the centre depth issue.

Very little UFA wise right now, although Dom Moore and Blaire Betts could be fourth line options.

I was thinking someone through trade, someone in a similar contractual situation as Connolly.

If they go Richards/Stepan/Trade/Moore.

Pretty fair to assume that Brian Boyle is the #3 guy there.

 

[Mack674]

OMFG I hate the Rangers.

Thank god we have Aucoin now.