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TimKerr said:Good thing you're being objective about the whole thing.
Justin said:Although I don't agree with Nik refusing to back up his remark, he is right in that we should do our best not to talk politics on this board.
You used sarcasm to criticize my opinion on Miller...without elaborating it. But honestly who the hell cares.Nik V. Debs said:Justin said:Although I don't agree with Nik refusing to back up his remark, he is right in that we should do our best not to talk politics on this board.
My "remark" is that you are engaging in a silly level of hyperbole. I'd be happy to "back that up" if you weren't doing it for me.
Justin said:Get off your high horse. Ford had nothing but good intentions trying raise money for a children's charity and made a minor mistake regarding a voting technicality. Illegal? Yes. But what he did harmed no one and nothing, it was a minor mistake, and the magnitude of the punishment considering the minuscule nature of the mistake he made is a farce.
Justin said:As for your defense of Kyle Rae...that is seriously the dumbest thing I've read on the internet in a long time. And that says something. Governments have an obligation to spend the taxpayers' money wisely with accountability. If you want to throw yourself a retirement party, why should I have to pay for it? It's ridiculous. If someone working in the private sector has a retirement party with company money it's usually because of the goodwill of his superiors. Kyle Rae on the other hand gave the finger to the taxpayers and decided to indulge in people's hard-earned money so he can sip champagne and eat caviar. You are seriously okay with this? It's disgusting.
Justin said:Get off your high horse. Ford had nothing but good intentions trying raise money for a children's charity and made a minor mistake regarding a voting technicality. Illegal? Yes. But what he did harmed no one and nothing, it was a minor mistake, and the magnitude of the punishment considering the minuscule nature of the mistake he made is a farce.
Among the donors he approached were lobbyists and a company that does business with the city. The commissioner found that seven lobbyists or clients of lobbyists who had donated to the football charity had either lobbied Mr. Ford or registered an intent to lobby him.
The danger is obvious: if a lobbyist does a favour for a councillor ? even if it means donating to a good cause ? he might expect something in return. Mr. Ford, who rails about corruption at city hall, should have seen that.
Justin said:You used sarcasm to criticize my opinion on Miller...without elaborating it.
Justin said:Governments have an obligation to spend the taxpayers' money wisely with accountability.
Justin said:Not only does it enrage me as a conservative...
Joe S. said:I know I'm way over simplifying things - but I always saw Ford as mayor akin to when Homer became sanitation commissioner.
bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I know I'm way over simplifying things - but I always saw Ford as mayor akin to when Homer became sanitation commissioner.
Thanks. Now I've got "The Garbage Man Can" stuck in my head.
TimKerr said:bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I know I'm way over simplifying things - but I always saw Ford as mayor akin to when Homer became sanitation commissioner.
Thanks. Now I've got "The Garbage Man Can" stuck in my head.
Funny, I have the theme song to 'Sanford and Son' stuck in mine
I understand that. If you read my previous comment, I stated that Ford made a "minor mistake" regarding a voting technicality. I also acknowledged that what he did was illegal, there is no disputing that. My point is the punishment is wildly outrageous considering the minor flub, and this whole thing wouldn't have even happened if Ford wasn't a conservative. You think Clayton Ruby and his gang would pursue this if Adam Vaughan made the same mistake? Give me a break. This was completely politically motivated because people don't like Ford's politics, THAT'S why they want him out of office. Though, if you want to sit on your high horse and proclaim that Ford deserves to be kicked out of the Mayor's office solely for this small mistake, then you're an ass.louisstamos said:I want to make this abundantly clear. Ford's punishment for raising money for charity using city letterhead: Paying back $3150. (which he was absolved from by council anyways)
Ford's punishment for voting in a matter in which he had a pecuniary interest - his seat vacated. Do you see the difference? He had the best intentions when he raised the money yes, and that's why his punishment there was so little. He did NOT have good intentions when he voted for himself not to pay back the $3150 loaned. He voted to absolve himself - and that's the issue. There is no high horse involved.
This paragraph proves that people who work in government with the same line of thinking as yourself are part the reason we're in debt. The government has a responsibility to put tax dollars to good use, and if you think Kyle Rae's display of his shocking sense of entitlement with his ego-driven goodbye party for himself is good use of our hard-earned money, then I feel sorry for you.louisstamos said:And while I'm not in Rae's riding, my Councillor, Norm Kelly, has represented me for quite a long time - 12 years in the amalgamated city (and 18 years as a Councillor in general). If he decided to throw himself a retirement party worth that much - I would be fine with it, even if I've largely disagreed with his politics...but he has been the one who has represented me, and he's earned that right. Firstly, in the end, as a taxpayer, his party cost me $0.004 cents. And that goes the same for any Councillor in the city who represented. They've earned it. A party for a Councillor who served their riding for 19 years, especially if it's open to the constituents, isn't a big deal for me.
Bev Oda was ill-suited to sit in the House of Commons and I'm glad she's stepped down. She gave the Conservatives a bad name, and her sense of entitlement was just horrible.louisstamos said:I'm curious as to how you feel about Bev Oda...as a conservative...
Justin said:I understand that. If you read my previous comment, I stated that Ford made a "minor mistake" regarding a voting technicality. I also acknowledged that what he did was illegal, there is no disputing that. My point is the punishment is wildly outrageous considering the minor flub, and this whole thing wouldn't have even happened if Ford wasn't a conservative. You think Clayton Ruby and his gang would pursue this if Adam Vaughan made the same mistake? Give me a break. This was completely politically motivated because people don't like Ford's politics, THAT'S why they want him out of office. Though, if you want to sit on your high horse and proclaim that Ford deserves to be kicked out of the Mayor's office solely for this small mistake, then you're an ass.
Justin said:This paragraph proves that people who work in government with the same line of thinking as yourself are part the reason we're in debt. The government has a responsibility to put tax dollars to good use, and if you think Kyle Rae's display of his shocking sense of entitlement with his ego-driven goodbye party for himself is good use of our hard-earned money, then I feel sorry for you.
Haha, honestly Nik I have to hand it to you for that crafty twisting of words.Nik V. Debs said:Justin said:I understand that. If you read my previous comment, I stated that Ford made a "minor mistake" regarding a voting technicality. I also acknowledged that what he did was illegal, there is no disputing that. My point is the punishment is wildly outrageous considering the minor flub, and this whole thing wouldn't have even happened if Ford wasn't a conservative. You think Clayton Ruby and his gang would pursue this if Adam Vaughan made the same mistake? Give me a break. This was completely politically motivated because people don't like Ford's politics, THAT'S why they want him out of office. Though, if you want to sit on your high horse and proclaim that Ford deserves to be kicked out of the Mayor's office solely for this small mistake, then you're an ass.
Translation: Rob Ford was wrong on principle but it was a minor infraction so it isn't a big deal.
Justin said:This paragraph proves that people who work in government with the same line of thinking as yourself are part the reason we're in debt. The government has a responsibility to put tax dollars to good use, and if you think Kyle Rae's display of his shocking sense of entitlement with his ego-driven goodbye party for himself is good use of our hard-earned money, then I feel sorry for you.
Translation: It doesn't matter if it was a minor infraction, it was a violation of principle and is therefore a very big deal.
Justin said:Here's the difference: Kyle Rae's action gave the finger to the taxpayers of Toronto, while Ford's harmed no one and affected nothing. It was an infraction of a procedural technicality.