sens @ Leafs - Apr. 5th, 7:30pm - CityTV, Fan 590

[TML fan]

I hate this team.

Dude, you REALLY need to get some perspective. It's going to be like this for a long time. This one draft is not going to make or break the rebuild.

The perspective is that whatever is possible for the Leafs to do to screw up some "good fortune", they'll do it. They always do. The better the pick the better the options and opportunities. "One" draft or not it all helps..

Now 2 points behind Carolina and we have the tiebreaker..

If they always screw it up, what does it matter where they draft?

 

[lamajama]

Yes it does matter because hopefully drafting even one pick higher (or lower - you know what I mean...) the odds go down that they do screw it up - and like I said more options - trading down etc. We're all hoping the blind squirrel finds a nut.

 

[Kin]

Yes it does matter because hopefully drafting even one pick higher (or lower - you know what I mean...) the odds go down that they do screw it up - and like I said more options - trading down etc. We're all hoping the blind squirrel finds a nut.

Here's what happened over the last 8 or so days:

Twice, the Maple Leafs had a game against a team that is one of their rivals and who are in a desperate push for a playoff spot. Twice, the Leafs won close, dramatic games that the sens desperately wanted to win, depriving them of two crucial points that very well might be the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.

Also, some posters here have loudly and angrily complained about these victories, getting mad at the players and the team for doing this. Their rationale is that by winning those two games the Leafs might finish above the Hurricanes and as a result might draft one spot lower which might result in the Leafs drafting someone different than they would have anyway and this player might not be as good as the one they thought the Leafs would pick a spot higher which might result in the team being marginally less competitive in a few years time.

That is why they curse the heavens and dog on the players and root for the other team and say they "hate" the Leafs and complain after every goal or check or good shift the team has. Quite frankly, those people need to re-evaluate why they're sports fans.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Reimer and Bernier with back to back great games..

 

[Peter D.]

So what's this that's come about that the Marc Methot in OT may have actually gone in and ripped through the meshing.  If indeed that happened, that's going to cause a major poop storm.

 

[Redleaf]

I hate this team.

Dude, you REALLY need to get some perspective. It's going to be like this for a long time. This one draft is not going to make or break the rebuild.

And maybe you need to see that when they get opportunities to get a top 4 pick in the so called deepest draft in years, you don't bungle it up with three games to go. It could mean the difference between drafting a franchise player or just another a second line centre. Do I really think the Leafs will overtake Carolina in the standings? Probably not, but I've seen them destroy great opportunities before in the past with only a few games to go, and if a team can do it....

Can someone tell me the odds of a team currently sitting higher in the standings than Carolina is right now, winning the draft lottery? Isn't it greater than 50%?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So what's this that's come about that the Marc Methot in OT may have actually gone in and ripped through the meshing.  If indeed that happened, that's going to cause a major poop storm.

Mesh doesn't move at all, went wide.

 

[Kin]

And maybe you need to see that when they get opportunities to get a top 4 pick in the so called deepest draft in years, you don't bungle it up with three games to go.

What does that even mean in a practical sense? Should the Leafs just forfeit these games? Not show up to the rink? You appreciate that's not going to happen, right? And that they're going to try their hardest? Nobody is bungling up anything. This is the way competitive sports are supposed to work.

 

[TML fan]

Yes it does matter because hopefully drafting even one pick higher (or lower - you know what I mean...) the odds go down that they do screw it up - and like I said more options - trading down etc. We're all hoping the blind squirrel finds a nut.

I thought you said they screw everything up? So, wouldn't they just end up drafting the wrong player regardless of where they pick? Or draft the right player and then screw up his development?

 

[TML fan]

I hate this team.

Dude, you REALLY need to get some perspective. It's going to be like this for a long time. This one draft is not going to make or break the rebuild.

And maybe you need to see that when they get opportunities to get a top 4 pick in the so called deepest draft in years, you don't bungle it up with three games to go. It could mean the difference between drafting a franchise player or just another a second line centre. Do I really think the Leafs will overtake Carolina in the standings? Probably not, but I've seen them destroy great opportunities before in the past with only a few games to go, and if a team can do it....

Can someone tell me the odds of a team currently sitting higher in the standings than Carolina is right now, winning the draft lottery? Isn't it greater than 50%?

Are you speaking to the time Boyd Deveraux scored a hat trick and the Leafs ended up drafting a better player 2 spots lower?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Imagine the Leafs stayed in 4th and then Carolina won the lottery. How would you guys feel then?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Are you speaking to the time Boyd Deveraux scored a hat trick and the Leafs ended up drafting a better player 2 spots lower?

And also inadvertently made the JVR for Schenn trade possible. Man, nothing ever works out for this team.

 

[Kin]

Are you speaking to the time Boyd Deveraux scored a hat trick and the Leafs ended up drafting a better player 2 spots lower?

I'm assuming he's referring to the time where the Leafs took Morgan Rielly at #5 overall, missing out on drafting higher by selfishly finishing the season at a scorching 6-13-3 pace in March and April.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Are you speaking to the time Boyd Deveraux scored a hat trick and the Leafs ended up drafting a better player 2 spots lower?

I'm assuming he's referring to the time where the Leafs took Morgan Rielly at #5 overall, missing out on drafting higher by selfishly finishing the season at a scorching 6-13-3 pace in March and April.

Or when they had 2 wins in their last 14 games last season, including losing their last 4 games, to draft the same player they likely would have if they went 0-for-14 and picked 2 spots earlier.

 

[Kin]

Or when they had 2 wins in their last 14 games last season, including losing their last 4 games, to draft the same player they likely would have if they went 0-for-14 and picked 2 spots earlier.

Might be a reference to 2011. That was a mediocre Leafs team that ridiculously tortured their fans by finishing the season at a really good 7-4-1 clip. If they'd only lost 3 more games over that span Boston could have drafted significantly higher.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Glad Holland solved Hammond otherwise the shootout looked like it could go on forever.

Good competitive games against the Bruins & the Sens this past weekend.  Kudos to our goaltenders, too!

 

[Redleaf]

And maybe you need to see that when they get opportunities to get a top 4 pick in the so called deepest draft in years, you don't bungle it up with three games to go.

What does that even mean in a practical sense? Should the Leafs just forfeit these games? Not show up to the rink? You appreciate that's not going to happen, right? And that they're going to try their hardest? Nobody is bungling up anything. This is the way competitive sports are supposed to work.

Oh. Ok. So no team tanks on purpose. Everyone is trying their hardest, just sinking down because of their lack of talent.  Did not know that. Is that across the board for all pro sports teams or just hockey?

 

[Redleaf]

Alright so just let me clear things up a little bit. If there is such a thing as tanking, there must be ways and means of achieving that goal. If Tanking is just all hearsay then forget about my disappointment in the Leafs trying to tank. There is no such thing.

 

[Frank E]

Alright so just let me clear things up a little bit. If there is such a thing as tanking, there must be ways and means of achieving that goal. If Tanking is just all hearsay then forget about my disappointment in the Leafs trying to tank. There is no such thing.

I think there's a difference between not trying your best to win, as opposed to trying to lose.

 

[TML fan]

Alright so just let me clear things up a little bit. If there is such a thing as tanking, there must be ways and means of achieving that goal. If Tanking is just all hearsay then forget about my disappointment in the Leafs trying to tank. There is no such thing.

The players will generally never go along with an organization's desire to lose on purpose.