Highlander
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And by the way Islam is every bit as beautiful a religion as Zen or Christianity?but this is not Islam in the least.
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Highlander said:Don't want to ruffle anyone up, just some questions? Why did we send 18 of our best warplanes and 600 soldiers to the mid-East for a year? Is this a training exercise? What is it termed? Have we declared war on ISIS? If not what is this?
Regarding the combatants, we wear uniforms, we identify ourselves as combatants. ISIS hides behind masks.
If you read back to the Civil War days, the combatants in that war where overwhelming Volunteers (as the US only had a standing army of around 15K) meaning over 800,000 men in that conflict where normal citizens. Whatever their motives for joining the different sides whether race or religion or something else, the rules of engagment or war where the same as WW2, if you where caught behind enemy lines in non uniform you were executed with no trial.
So what is this thing we are in? That is all I am asking. And how many more islolated incidents of this kind of madness are we all prepared to put up with? (even if today as not an extremist)
Thats my bolt and it is shot. I will shut up now.
Nik the Trik said:Highlander said:Yes but ISIS has declared itself a Caliphate and has claimed its aims are to harm the west.
A Caliphate is a state. These are the people that our home grown extremist are running to.
Which means that should our elected officials actually declare war on ISIS then people who are actually associated with them, officially, could in fact be treated as enemy agents or soldiers. But your average wackadoo couldn't just be assumed to be associated them by dint of a shared race, country of origin or religion.
edit: Although even with that said I think one of the prerequisites for an official declaration of war is that another nation is officially recognized to be a legitimate government which strikes me as unlikely for ISIS. Declaring yourself a caliphate is not quite the same thing as being one.
crazyperfectdevil said:it's gotten awfully talk radio around here
bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I was just having this argument with a colleague at work.
Him: This is terrorism'
Me: ok, what's they're goal, what is it that they are upset about
Him: They say it's because canada is going after the terrorists
Me: Who said? What Terrorists? What are they hoping to accomplish by doing this?
Him: It's Terrorism, Toronto is next.
So I just walked away.
A lot of people seem to jumping to the conclusion that this attack is linked to what happened in Quebec on Monday, and, while it may be, we just don't have any proof to link them together. It could be terrorism or it could be, as Nik said, good, old-fashioned crazy.
TML fan said:Sometimes the likeliest explanation is the correct one.
bustaheims said:TML fan said:Sometimes the likeliest explanation is the correct one.
No, that's the simplest solution. There is no single likeliest explanation here right now. Not with the information we have available to us.
TML fan said:bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I was just having this argument with a colleague at work.
Him: This is terrorism'
Me: ok, what's they're goal, what is it that they are upset about
Him: They say it's because canada is going after the terrorists
Me: Who said? What Terrorists? What are they hoping to accomplish by doing this?
Him: It's Terrorism, Toronto is next.
So I just walked away.
A lot of people seem to jumping to the conclusion that this attack is linked to what happened in Quebec on Monday, and, while it may be, we just don't have any proof to link them together. It could be terrorism or it could be, as Nik said, good, old-fashioned crazy.
Sometimes the likeliest explanation is the correct one.
Heroic Shrimp said:TML fan said:bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I was just having this argument with a colleague at work.
Him: This is terrorism'
Me: ok, what's they're goal, what is it that they are upset about
Him: They say it's because canada is going after the terrorists
Me: Who said? What Terrorists? What are they hoping to accomplish by doing this?
Him: It's Terrorism, Toronto is next.
So I just walked away.
A lot of people seem to jumping to the conclusion that this attack is linked to what happened in Quebec on Monday, and, while it may be, we just don't have any proof to link them together. It could be terrorism or it could be, as Nik said, good, old-fashioned crazy.
Sometimes the likeliest explanation is the correct one.
And sometimes crazy people get inspired by other crazy people, regardless of whether there's any common motivations.
bustaheims said:Highlander said:don't want to get to political here but I have one thought or question: it seems the police knew that the extremist in Quebec whom ran over two of our soldiers (killing one) was planning acts of homegrown terror against us. If this is indeed a war then don't the old articles of war apply? And if they apply then cannot we call these non uniformed soldiers of radical Islam, Spys? In the war if you were caught in civilian cloths behind enemy lines you could be summarily executed as a Spy. Why are we waiting for documented spys planning acts of violence to us to actual act, if this is indeed a war??? And if this is not a war, then what is it?
Well, until they're actually found doing something illegal, you can't punch them. Unless you catch them spying or with intelligence materials they're not supposed to have access to or anything else, they're innocent until proven guilty. Even those accused of espionage have to proven to have committed espionage before they could be executed. You can't have the government just arresting or killing people because they suspect they might commit a crime in the future. That's, you know, fascism.
Potvin29 said:Heroic Shrimp said:TML fan said:bustaheims said:Joe S. said:I was just having this argument with a colleague at work.
Him: This is terrorism'
Me: ok, what's they're goal, what is it that they are upset about
Him: They say it's because canada is going after the terrorists
Me: Who said? What Terrorists? What are they hoping to accomplish by doing this?
Him: It's Terrorism, Toronto is next.
So I just walked away.
A lot of people seem to jumping to the conclusion that this attack is linked to what happened in Quebec on Monday, and, while it may be, we just don't have any proof to link them together. It could be terrorism or it could be, as Nik said, good, old-fashioned crazy.
Sometimes the likeliest explanation is the correct one.
And sometimes crazy people get inspired by other crazy people, regardless of whether there's any common motivations.
Just saw this posted on Twitter, it's Sir Ken MacDonald's response to the 7/7 London bombings and seems apt today:
hockeyfan1 said:Gun-downed soldier killed by gunman while guarding the National War Memorial was identified as Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a reservist in the military.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/uniformed-canadian-soldier-shot-at-ottawa-war-memorial-140825845.html
Condolences to the family. And to any other innocent victims.