Leafaholic99
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Bring in Stammer on a good contract, get Reimer signed and try add a vet dman! Give them 2-3 years to play together and boom! Contendor!
Steve Stamkos?
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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I think he'll come with an 8 figure cap hit so I'll pass.
Anything around the 8 million per year or under and I am fine with it.
Anything around the 8 million per year or under and I am fine with it.
bustaheims
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Bender said:
Not solely, no. The future cap math comes into play, as well, and, more importantly, I feel like it will still be a few seasons until the team will be a position where the type of contract it'll take to sign Stamos will be worthwhile.
Frank E
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bustaheims said:
But a guy of Stamkos' calibre isn't likely available in 2018, so we eat the contract in the meantime.
We got the prize, now let's get a mentor for the youngins. Invest Busta, don't cheap out here!
And I've yet to see a good projection showing me that Stamkos ruins the cap number in 3 years. I think he could do for the Leafs what he did for the younger guys in Tampa.
Britishbulldog
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"Elliotte Friedman recently had a tweet that seemed to imply Tampa might try to trade Stamkos before July 1st"
Stamkos would shield Matthews from other teams top lines, media and captained a team to the Stanley Cup finals.
If the Leaf youngster became league stars and through off the cap structure for the Leafs, that would be a great thing and is very optimistic. The Leafs could then look at moving someone for younger assets, draft picks, etc.
It was reported that Stamkos rejected a 8 year, $68 MIL offer ($8.5 MIL AAV) from the Lightning. If it was because he thought he was worth more then we have a problem because that is more than Getzlaf and only slightly less than Crosby. If he rejected it because he wanted out then he is very enticing.
Stamkos, Matthews, Kadri as the top 3 centers for the next 7 years would be fantastic.
Stamkos would shield Matthews from other teams top lines, media and captained a team to the Stanley Cup finals.
If the Leaf youngster became league stars and through off the cap structure for the Leafs, that would be a great thing and is very optimistic. The Leafs could then look at moving someone for younger assets, draft picks, etc.
It was reported that Stamkos rejected a 8 year, $68 MIL offer ($8.5 MIL AAV) from the Lightning. If it was because he thought he was worth more then we have a problem because that is more than Getzlaf and only slightly less than Crosby. If he rejected it because he wanted out then he is very enticing.
Stamkos, Matthews, Kadri as the top 3 centers for the next 7 years would be fantastic.
Kin
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Frank E said:
It's not that Stamkos ruins it. It's that we don't right now know enough about what shape the team is eventually going to be in right now to make spending potentially 10+ million on Stamkos a good investment. We don't really know what the team's D will look like when they're contending. We have absolutely no idea who'll be in net when they're contending.
The question is whether you want to sacrifice a good chunk of the team's flexibility to address those areas to spend market prices on Stamkos when the team will already have Matthews/Nylander/Kadri.
bustaheims
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Frank E said:
I prefer to diversify my investment portfolio rather than sinking so much of my available funds into one non-liquid commodity.
mr grieves
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Shanahan said last night that the results of the draft lottery don't change their UFA plans at all.
I don't see how that could possibly be true, unless they were never planning to pursue Stamkos... No way they can make a $10.5m x 7 offer to Stamkos without screwing things up down the line.
But I do hope they offer him $9m or so and tell him he can play center and pick which of Matthews, Marner, or Nylander to take passes from for the next 7 years. I mean, talent like that becoming available without any asset cost is a rarity in today's NHL, so you gotta at least see. And, if he passes to "the guy" in Detroit or wherever, the outcome of the draft lottery makes me more sanguine about missing out.
I don't see how that could possibly be true, unless they were never planning to pursue Stamkos... No way they can make a $10.5m x 7 offer to Stamkos without screwing things up down the line.
But I do hope they offer him $9m or so and tell him he can play center and pick which of Matthews, Marner, or Nylander to take passes from for the next 7 years. I mean, talent like that becoming available without any asset cost is a rarity in today's NHL, so you gotta at least see. And, if he passes to "the guy" in Detroit or wherever, the outcome of the draft lottery makes me more sanguine about missing out.
Kin
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mr grieves said:
Another way to look at it is that the Leafs plans always involved making Stamkos a pretty team friendly offer and holding firm on it. I don't think the people running the Leafs ever had the sort of "If we don't land Matthews/Stamkos this off-season we're doomed" mentality.
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Nik the Trik said:
That sounds plausible enough, and in line with the philosophy we've seen from this group. I'm glad that (it seems) getting Matthews doesn't immediately rule out making an offer to Stamkos.
L K
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Nik the Trik said:
It's tough to assess. Did Stamkos reject because he simply wants out of Tampa (whether to try and play closer to home or because he really wants to play center) or did he reject it because he can make more money on a 7-year deal than Tampa is offering for 8 years. We won't know until July 1st or 4th (or whenever free agency is this year).
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mr grieves said:
When the Leafs win the Stanley Cup in 2 years, it's going to generate so much money for the league that the salary cap is going to sky rocket.
Stamkos at $10.5m is going to be peanuts.
I'd still take a run at him, but only if the price is right. I'm hoping Stamkos isn't in it for the prestige of being a top earner in the league, and is more interested in playing for HIS team. I'm hoping he takes a hometown discount.
I can see Lou saying we especially don't need you now at 9-11M, with Auston on his way. We'll take you at something lower (7-9M per year), otherwise enjoy continuing being irrelevant in Tampa or Nashville or wherever he ends up going.
I can see Lou saying we especially don't need you now at 9-11M, with Auston on his way. We'll take you at something lower (7-9M per year), otherwise enjoy continuing being irrelevant in Tampa or Nashville or wherever he ends up going.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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pmrules said:
Yeah, maybe Lou can slap him around a little, maybe show him some naughty pictures of his mom, you know really butter him up.
If I were the Leafs I wouldn't even contact Stamkos' agent. Let him come to you.
I've been thinking recently what if the leafs offered something a little off the wall...like 2 years at 22 mil. He still gets to be a free agent at 28 and he can prove to the league that he can stay healthy and still produce at a high rate and then if he becomes the next leaf captain and the leafs have to resign him they could then offer 8 years if they so choose.
And if he can't stay healthy they get the cap relief. And if it doesn't work out hes off the books before nylander, marner and matthews get their raises
And if he can't stay healthy they get the cap relief. And if it doesn't work out hes off the books before nylander, marner and matthews get their raises
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Peter D. said:
As Patrick O'Sullivan put it on 590 this morning, there's likely no way that Stamkos would want to come to Toronto now and ultimately (or very shortly) be the #2 guy behind Matthews both on the ice and in public opinion.
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