WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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25-year-old Star for only cap space as a UFA?
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No to a trade unless it's laughably inexpensive though.
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No to a trade unless it's laughably inexpensive though.
Steve Stamkos?
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LuncheonMeat
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Frank E said:
I don't particularly want to go another 8 years without a true 1C, so I'm in too.
Sportsnet needs to write a story about Stamkos taking a home-town discount, just to see if he favorites it.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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cabber24 said:
You're insane, he's a league Star, if you can get one of those for no asset cost at 25 years old you do it and don't even think about it.
Also, in 4 or 5 years he's only going to be pushing 30, he can still be elite at that age.
Patrick said:
Stamkos is also the poster-boy of the Gary Roberts training regime. The aging process effects everyone different but I'd be pretty comfortable betting on him long-term.
Grabner, Winnik, Matthias, Spaling, and Polak have a combined cap hit of $12.5mil this season.
Replace those guys with Marlies who are making $1mil each, there's $7.5mil in cap space.
Trade Bozak (hey other teams, he's actually have a pretty good season!), there's $11.7mil in cap space for Stamkos. Bingo-bango.
Replace those guys with Marlies who are making $1mil each, there's $7.5mil in cap space.
Trade Bozak (hey other teams, he's actually have a pretty good season!), there's $11.7mil in cap space for Stamkos. Bingo-bango.
GhostofPotvin29
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Also, pretty much all the recent Cup winners have significant portions of their caps dedicated to a few elite players.
pnjunction
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I could agree that throwing a ton of money at a star at 26 might be a good bet if you can land him but this is what what makes me nervous about Stamkos in particular:
Pre-injury: 0.57 g/g 1.04 p/g, 0.63/1.15 if you don't count rookie season
Post post: 0.49 g/g, 0.84 p/g
2015-2016 so far: 0.39 g/g, 0.71 ppg
He's still a 40-goal scorer as of last season (although he's only on pace for 32 this year) but the decline is enough to make me nervous about putting $10+M of cap hit in for long term. So hard to say whether you'd be getting a 40+ goal 80+ point guy who's worth the big money, or someone who's decline into relative mediocrity has started early due to a freak injury.
Lecavalier, one of the the poster boys for irreversible decline on a huge contract, started to drop off hard after he dipped under a point per game at the tender age of 28...
Pre-injury: 0.57 g/g 1.04 p/g, 0.63/1.15 if you don't count rookie season
Post post: 0.49 g/g, 0.84 p/g
2015-2016 so far: 0.39 g/g, 0.71 ppg
He's still a 40-goal scorer as of last season (although he's only on pace for 32 this year) but the decline is enough to make me nervous about putting $10+M of cap hit in for long term. So hard to say whether you'd be getting a 40+ goal 80+ point guy who's worth the big money, or someone who's decline into relative mediocrity has started early due to a freak injury.
Lecavalier, one of the the poster boys for irreversible decline on a huge contract, started to drop off hard after he dipped under a point per game at the tender age of 28...
cabber24 said:
It wouldn't even be a short bench. Some of the replacements (Harrington for Polak, Panik for Grabner) could probably be improvements.
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Nik the Trik said:
Well, I think the expectation is that TBay would ask for at least one of Rielly/Nylander/Marner/this year's 1st, and, in that case, I wouldn't make a trade either.
Peter D. said:
I've been trying to look at how it'd effect the cap situation for the next few years. Again, that's been my only worry regarding the whole thing. I played around a bit with hockeyscap.com's Armchair GM function, this is what I got:
JVR-Stamkos-Nylander
Komarov-Kadri-Lupul
Winnik-Bozak-UFA
Panik-Holland-Marner
UFA-Froese
Gardiner-Phaneuf
Hunwick-Rielly
Harrington-Corrado
Marincin
Bernier
Sparks
Give Stamkos $11mil, Kadri $5.5mil, Rielly $6mil. Give the other RFAs whatever small raise they need. Sign a couple of bargain UFAs for $3mil combined. Horton and Robidas go on LTIR. That roster would leave you about $3mil in cap space. Could use that $3mil to upgrade the defence. Bozak will also likely be a lot more appealing this summer as opposed to last with the season he's having. You've also still got plenty of cheap options on the Marlies ready to be used.
That salary structure would basically stay in place for about 3 years until Nylander and Marner's ELC run out. That's when things get tricky but not impossible to keep together. Lupul's contract would be up, Bozak's too if he's not traded. Maybe you move Kadri's $5.5mil then.
But yeah, I've talked myself into being a lot more comfortable offering him a deal.
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Nik the Trik said:
My thinking is, and it may just be wishful, is that if Stamkos indeed opts to become a free agent, the Leafs will be at or near the top of his list of teams to sign with. And with that being the case, why would the Leafs burn up any assets when he is going to make zero difference this year and can be had with a simple blank cheque a few months later.
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bustaheims said:
Even if it's the deadline and either they've decided to move on/Stamkos has told them he's leaving? You think they're still playing hardball and willing to let him walk for nothing?
Anyways, maybe I should rephrase it. I suppose what I should say is that I can't see any scenario in which the team really wants Stamkos, is willing to make him the centrepiece of their team with a huge free agent deal...but holds the line at trading a Gauthier, Leipsic and a 1st package(or something similar) at the deadline.
Peter D.
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CarltonTheBear said:
I'm not overly worried on the effect Stamkos has on the cap. Because he's the guy I'm building my team around. Set that pillar in place and build the rest around him. If it means moving one of or a combination of Lupul, Bozak or even Phaneuf and filling them with cheaper players through free agency, trade or promotions from the Marlies, so be it.
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