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The 2014 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Nik the Trik said:
Andy007 said:
He put up great numbers in AAA his last year in Toronto and looked really good during his call-up before cooling off considerably.
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He had something around a .300 OBP in A and High A ball and then a .317 OBP in AA. One of the blessings of the Jays not being associated with Vegas anymore is that the inflated numbers that all of their prospects were putting up in AAA disguised which guys were legit prospects and which weren't. It's a tough loss but understandable.
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Well he's a catcher. Assessing the value of a catcher solely based on OBP doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Fact is he was a 25yr old playing a premium position with a good arm and decent offensive skills. Those types of players shouldn't be thrown away in deals for average relief pitchers, particularly when the GM trades away all the other catchers in the system.

 
Gives me some hope: In April-May last season, Dickey was 4-7 with a 5.18 ERA in 12 starts.  From June to September, Dickey was 10-6 with a 3.72 ERA in 22 starts.  Hopefully it was, as he has stated, a case of his back causing issues early in the season where he couldn't get his velocity to where he wanted it that helps account for that difference as the year went on.
 
Potvin29 said:
Gives me some hope: In April-May last season, Dickey was 4-7 with a 5.18 ERA in 12 starts.  From June to September, Dickey was 10-6 with a 3.72 ERA in 22 starts.  Hopefully it was, as he has stated, a case of his back causing issues early in the season where he couldn't get his velocity to where he wanted it that helps account for that difference as the year went on.
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I think the most telling stat is his home vs away numbers: 4.80 era at Rogers Centre, 3.56 everywhere else.

 
Andy007 said:
Well he's a catcher. Assessing the value of a catcher solely based on OBP doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
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I'm not saying you should. I'm saying that Vegas obscured the kind of offensive prospect he was and, while hindsight tells us JP wasn't the answer, the fact is the Jays already had a low OBP catcher with pop who rated pretty well by defensive metrics who they wanted to be a 120-140 games a year guy. 

It's not a great trade but I think it needs to be looked at in the context of when it was made where A) JP hadn't fallen off the planet and B) Gomes looked to be a back-up catcher or utility infielder at the power positions where his bat would be the main focus.
 
Andy007 said:
Potvin29 said:
Gives me some hope: In April-May last season, Dickey was 4-7 with a 5.18 ERA in 12 starts.  From June to September, Dickey was 10-6 with a 3.72 ERA in 22 starts.  Hopefully it was, as he has stated, a case of his back causing issues early in the season where he couldn't get his velocity to where he wanted it that helps account for that difference as the year went on.
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I think the most telling stat is his home vs away numbers: 4.80 era at Rogers Centre, 3.56 everywhere else.
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Also true.
 
Andy007 said:
Potvin29 said:
Gives me some hope: In April-May last season, Dickey was 4-7 with a 5.18 ERA in 12 starts.  From June to September, Dickey was 10-6 with a 3.72 ERA in 22 starts.  Hopefully it was, as he has stated, a case of his back causing issues early in the season where he couldn't get his velocity to where he wanted it that helps account for that difference as the year went on.
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I think the most telling stat is his home vs away numbers: 4.80 era at Rogers Centre, 3.56 everywhere else.
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I don't know how telling that is going forward when you look at the 1st half/2nd half stats though. In his 11 starts in his significantly more effective August/September, 6 of them were at home and in those 6 home starts he had a 2.63 ERA so clearly he can pitch effectively at the Dome.

I mean, superficially I don't think he's ever going to look as good as he did with the Mets just because of the HR factors in Toronto but I think his second half last year should suggest that he can be a fairly effective pitcher going forward. The Jays' problem with him is that they need ace-type results and I don't know how realistic that is.
 
Although, that said, if I were looking for a silver lining to Dickey's year it would be that he was significantly better in a dome(3.18 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 9 HR in 79 innings) than outdoors(4.77 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 26 homeruns in 145 innings) and the Jays could choose to just keep the roof closed when he pitched.
 
Derk said:
Looks like Reyes is getting a head start on his injuries this year.

The FAN just reported that he is getting an MRI on his tight hamstring.
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Well, it's opening day, Jays fans, and Jose Reyes has been pulled from the game after his first at-bat.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Although, that said, if I were looking for a silver lining to Dickey's year it would be that he was significantly better in a dome(3.18 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 9 HR in 79 innings) than outdoors(4.77 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 26 homeruns in 145 innings) and the Jays could choose to just keep the roof closed when he pitched.
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Or, then again, maybe Dickey just isn't very good.
 
Yeah, yikes. 9-2. Dickey was terrible, Mr. Glass is out again - last I heard the talk radio folks were suggesting he be rested for the Montreal games - what happened to that? I hope this game isn't a sign of things to come.

Regardless, I figured the best possible outcome for this series would be a split given that they typically don't win series in Tampa.
 
Here I was about to come in and complain about Thole being a black hole in the lineup that came with Dickey, and here he got a hit. Too bad it wasn't in his first at bat with two on and none out when the game was still within reach.
 
Well I hate to fill this thread with optimism, hope, or good tidings after the opening day debacle, but the team played well yesterday.  Drew Hutchinson looked fantastic and seemed to click with Dioner Navarro, who really looks like a calming influence behind the pate.  Heck, even John McDonald, er, I mean, Jonathan Diaz, produced offensively.

I don't think there's any doubt that the Jays are not serious contenders, at least not in the AL East.  They are ridiculously thin after the starting 9 position players, and the starting rotation deserves a similar comment.  But it would be great to see them be competitive and not completely crap out by June.
 
Potvin29 said:
Santos has a pretty ridiculous slider: http://gamereax.com/santos-slider-is-filth/
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Almost as filthy as his lack of control.  He made things a little dicey there in the 9th.  If he can keep the ball off the ground though...
 
Potvin29 said:
Well it was just one appearance.
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Outside of a bit of an aberration last year though, that has always been his MO.  A guy with some fantastic pitches but he really struggles to locate them.  Hopefully it is just one start but that was the Santos we saw in 2012 who lost the closer job. 
 
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