Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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I say let him finish his contract so he has 1 more year after this season. Then new ownership can evaluate then and chose to replace or re-sign him.
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Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one. I like our prospect pool though it lacks a true blue chipper and I think there are enough depth and moveable parts at both the NHL and AHL level to really shake things up for the better. I'm willing to give Burke one more year to do so.
Corn Flake said:Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one. I like our prospect pool though it lacks a true blue chipper and I think there are enough depth and moveable parts at both the NHL and AHL level to really shake things up for the better. I'm willing to give Burke one more year to do so.
I think for anyone to suggest they don't have a plan is crazy. To say they don't have one suggests they just sit back and do whatever comes to mind that day/week/month and make moves as they feel like it. Billion dollar organizations and pro sports teams (MLSE is both) don't operate like that. Well, most don't and this one isn't one of those for sure.
Is the plan working is a different question all together. Well that is up for plenty of debate that is all over the place.
I know Burke has said a lot of things publicly and came in with a lot of bravado, but I look at the actions rather than the loud words, and other than a few moves early on that appear short sighted (mostly because they didn't pan out.. ie: Komisarek), the numerous trades from the last 2 years that resulted in plenty of young talent coming in in return for older players, and most of that talent still in development stages in the AHL, its hard for me to see where you can say his plan is not still in progress.
In short, the plan to me is build a contending team by stockpiling young talent but at the same time try to not be a complete laughing stock. the former half of the plan is on track.. the latter.. not so much.
By the way this season is finishing up, the blue chipper (aka franchise player) we are missing might be closer than we think.
Tigger said:Corn Flake said:You don't think a 10-20% profit increase would be substantial to a billion dollar company? Um...
Sorry if I got it wrong Nik, but, I think he was saying it would add to their operating income. That's not a huge amount of dough for these guys.
Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one.
pnjunction said:Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one.
Having a plan doesn't mean much really. I always have a plan for losing weight, decorating my apartment, buying nicer clothes, etc... Then in a few months when all of those plans have failed miserably, I have other plans....
Sarge said:pnjunction said:Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one.
Having a plan doesn't mean much really. I always have a plan for losing weight, decorating my apartment, buying nicer clothes, etc... Then in a few months when all of those plans have failed miserably, I have other plans....
You don't make a career though out of losing weight, decorating your apartment, buying nicer clothes, tying you shoes or, contemplating your navel.
pnjunction said:So? My point was that plans in any situation are only good if they actually happen and work out. Also when they don't you can just make up a new plan and still say you have a plan.
Tigger said:Corn Flake said:You don't think a 10-20% profit increase would be substantial to a billion dollar company? Um...
Sorry if I got it wrong Nik, but, I think he was saying it would add to their operating income. That's not a huge amount of dough for these guys.
Sarge said:pnjunction said:So? My point was that plans in any situation are only good if they actually happen and work out. Also when they don't you can just make up a new plan and still say you have a plan.
My point is there is much more at stake in ensuring the Leaf's plan goes ahead as designed than the examples you used. Sure, not all plans unfold without obstacles but there are folks being paid large amounts of money to deal with them.
jonlleafs said:Sarge said:pnjunction said:So? My point was that plans in any situation are only good if they actually happen and work out. Also when they don't you can just make up a new plan and still say you have a plan.
My point is there is much more at stake in ensuring the Leaf's plan goes ahead as designed than the examples you used. Sure, not all plans unfold without obstacles but there are folks being paid large amounts of money to deal with them.
So while Burke's plan was to get bigger, stronger, more truculent, but with skill, it doesn't mean he always has the opportunity to do that. Not every team is willing to give up a Getzlaf at Burke's whim. He has to work with what is given to him and he didn't have much as far as prospects to trade away to land a Getzlaf. So, ya, he's striving to staying on the plan, but sometimes the deals are just not there. i.e. Would you have now wanted the Leafs to have traded away a whole bunch of prospects and our first rounder this year with the way things have unfolded? I don't think Nash coming in here would have turned this team around.
Corn Flake said:Tigger said:Corn Flake said:You don't think a 10-20% profit increase would be substantial to a billion dollar company? Um...
Sorry if I got it wrong Nik, but, I think he was saying it would add to their operating income. That's not a huge amount of dough for these guys.
I'm saying it is when you look at the percentages. Any large corporation that can gain 10-20% net profit is going to bend over backwards to make that money.
I have worked for many large corporations and I work for one now. 10-20% is huge. No question.
pnjunction said:Sarge said:pnjunction said:Sarge said:I'm willing to take Poulin at face value when he said there was a plan a short while ago. What it is? I don't know but I trust there is one.
Having a plan doesn't mean much really. I always have a plan for losing weight, decorating my apartment, buying nicer clothes, etc... Then in a few months when all of those plans have failed miserably, I have other plans....
You don't make a career though out of losing weight, decorating your apartment, buying nicer clothes, tying you shoes or, contemplating your navel.
So? My point was that plans in any situation are only good if they actually happen and work out. Also when they don't you can just make up a new plan and still say you have a plan. All of the worst GMs ever had plans.
jonlleafs said:So while Burke's plan was to get bigger, stronger, more truculent, but with skill, it doesn't mean he always has the opportunity to do that. Not every team is willing to give up a Getzlaf at Burke's whim. He has to work with what is given to him and he didn't have much as far as prospects to trade away to land a Getzlaf. So, ya, he's striving to staying on the plan, but sometimes the deals are just not there. i.e. Would you have now wanted the Leafs to have traded away a whole bunch of prospects and our first rounder this year with the way things have unfolded? I don't think Nash coming in here would have turned this team around.
jonlleafs said:I am willing to give him some rope.
I don't see any reason why their margins would not remain constant.Optimus Reimer said:Saint Nik said:PG said:MLSE make money hand over fist. They have made the fan experience pretty darn good down at the ACC with Maple Leaf Square and Real Sports Bar and Grill. As awful as they are at putting together good sports team, these are very astute business people. At some point, an exec is going to wonder aloud "Imagine how many more revenue streams we could have if we, um, made the playoffs and had a good team?"
With every missed playoff comes oodles of lost revenue. You know these guys are chomping at the bit to release insanely priced playoff tickets that will be criticised by the media, but sold out in less than 30 minutes.
You know, I never really bought the idea that the playoff money was going to be a big deal for the OTPP when they were earning tons anyway but I especially don't buy it now that ownership will be looking to get a ton of money for their media companies from owning the team.
Forbes had their operating income at 81.8 million last time they did valuations. Would making the playoffs add to that? Sure. But by what...10 percent? 20? I'm sure they'd like that bump sure but I'm doubtful they'll make a lot of decisions based on it.
Not sure about this one, but if there are any financial or tax gurus here who may be able to answer this one, but if MLSE's revenues increased due to additional playoff revenue, wouldn't their taxes or expenses also increase? Just wondering if it would be profitable for MLSE if the Leafs did not make the playoffs.