The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Loungo has lost a fair amount of lustre in my eyes despite putting up great numbers on a great team last year.  I would have a hard time placing him on my top 5 let alone number 2 right now. I think a guy like  Ryan Miller if on the nucks puts up better numbers than Lou does in Vancouver last year. I just have to include Miller in my top 5. Maybe that is because of how he plays against our Leafs, who knows but it is more than just stats for me and I really like Miller.

Luongo didn't just put up good regular season numbers, he took his team to within a game of the Cup. Before the Bruins series he was pretty close to lights out.

He's won a Olympic Gold, was a Vezina finalist, got nominated for the Hart a few years back and you wouldn't put him in the top five? I don't see there's much of a rationale for that.

His playoff stats from 2009-2011 range from pretty average to below average and while he's had some good games in the playoffs, he's had his fair share of important games where he played terribly with it all on the line.

I'm not sure winning the gold medal as Canada's goalie is the most difficult task ever, given an all-star roster which was one of the top 2 in terms of talent and home ice advantage. Did he have to stand on his head for Canada to stand a chance? Not exactly. He got the opportunity because Marty stumbled.

He's a top 10 goalie for sure, but past playoff performances, and factoring in cap hits (he's 2nd in the league I think) I'm not sure he's top 5 anymore.

 

[Leafaholic99]

I'm not sure winning the gold medal as Canada's goalie is the most difficult task ever, given an all-star roster which was one of the top 2 in terms of talent and home ice advantage. Did he have to stand on his head for Canada to stand a chance? Not exactly. He got the opportunity because Marty stumbled.

I can't remember correctly, but in the final minute of the Gold Medal game, Parise scored to tie it, wasn't it a weak goal? If so, another example of Lou not handling high pressure moments/games.

 

[Kin]

His playoff stats from 2009-2011 range from pretty average to below average and while he's had some good games in the playoffs, he's had his fair share of important games where he played terribly with it all on the line.

Which is more or less true of every single goalie in the world. Tim Thomas lost his job a year ago. Henrik Lundqvist's playoff record leaves a ton to be desired. Vokoun hasn't been in the playoffs in years and, when he was there last, wasn't good. Miller's playoff numbers are virtually the same as Luongo's.

I'm not sure winning the gold medal as Canada's goalie is the most difficult task ever, given an all-star roster which was one of the top 2 in terms of talent and home ice advantage. Did he have to stand on his head for Canada to stand a chance? Not exactly. He got the opportunity because Marty stumbled.

I didn't say it was the most difficult thing in the world or that he stood on his head. It is an accomplishment and he did play well in a tournament Canada could have easily lost. Any sort of suggestion that he's incapable of playing well in big situations is untrue.

He's a top 10 goalie for sure, but past playoff performances, and factoring in cap hits (he's 2nd in the league I think) I'm not sure he's top 5 anymore.

Well, leaving aside the fact that cap hit has nothing to do with the question(It's under the "best" heading anyway) you're wrong about the cap hit thing. His cap hit is actually pretty reasonable at 5.3. It makes his cap hit substantially lower than Lundqvist and Miller.

 

[Kin]

I can't remember correctly, but in the final minute of the Gold Medal game, Parise scored to tie it, wasn't it a weak goal? If so, another example of Lou not handling high pressure moments/games.

Parise was all alone in front to knock in a rebound on a screened shot. Blaming Luongo for that and ignoring the very good game he played there is flat out guano.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm kind of with Nik here... Luongo (like him or not) is just a fantastic goaltender.

 

[Tigger]

Never mind Millers silver medal effort....

Thomas
Luongo
Miller
Lundqvist
Rinne

Price/Fleury/Bryzgalov/Vokoun are all arguable in terms of how they could fit in with that group to me.

 

[maplesyrup]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron?   

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron?   

I think it's highly unlikely that Gardiner is getting dealt, who suggested that anyway?

 

[maplesyrup]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron?   

I think it's highly unlikely that Gardiner is getting dealt, who suggested that anyway?

While I think Gardiner stays, I think it was ErnDog who brought up his name as potential trade-bait in the line-up changes thread. I think while unlikely, it's not impossible. Anyhoo, Perron could be an interesting gamble.

 

[Tigger]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

 

[maplesyrup]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

I'm not sure they would to be quite honest. I'm only thinking that perhaps they'd rather acquire an asset for him rather than gamble he'll be healthy.

 

[Tigger]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

I'm not sure they would to be quite honest. I'm only thinking that perhaps they'd rather acquire an asset for him rather than gamble he'll be healthy.

Otherwise known as Burke's new aerial move... the 'Lombardi'?

Draft schmaft... 

 

[Britishbulldog]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

I'm not sure they would to be quite honest. I'm only thinking that perhaps they'd rather acquire an asset for him rather than gamble he'll be healthy.

Otherwise known as Burke's new aerial move... the 'Lombardi'?

Draft schmaft... 

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

Yeah, neither of those things are ever going to happen.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

I'm not sure they would to be quite honest. I'm only thinking that perhaps they'd rather acquire an asset for him rather than gamble he'll be healthy.

Otherwise known as Burke's new aerial move... the 'Lombardi'?

Draft schmaft... 

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

The leafs could have drafted stewart ahead of tlusty btw and barry trapp said he would have picked that player on his way out the leafs door.  Since St Louis just traded their best defensemen for Stewart there is no way they trade him.  The leafs would have a better chance getting latendress from minnesota.  He is a similar type of player and about the same age.

 

[rdowdall]

Most are assuming one of Gunnarsson, Aulie, or maybe Gardiner is likely to be dealt at some point this season. However, at this point, there doesn't seem to be much room for a roster player in return... I was just thinking; Why not try to get lucky again and see if St. Louis would part with the concussed Perron? 

It makes sense to me that the Leafs defense would be a source of trade possibilities with what they have.

Why would St. Louis move Perron?

I'm not sure they would to be quite honest. I'm only thinking that perhaps they'd rather acquire an asset for him rather than gamble he'll be healthy.

Otherwise known as Burke's new aerial move... the 'Lombardi'?

Draft schmaft... 

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

The leafs could have drafted stewart ahead of tlusty btw and barry trapp said he would have picked that player on his way out the leafs door.  Since St Louis just traded their best defensemen for Stewart there is no way they trade him.  The leafs would have a better chance getting latendress from minnesota.  He is a similar type of player and about the same age.

At this point though, do the Leafs really need to make a trade?  Their point of weakness is still centre.  Going out and getting Latendress might be good, but wouldn't he be skating on the third line?  I don't see them breaking up Lupol and Kessel while they are playing the way they are.

 

[Britishbulldog]

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

The leafs could have drafted stewart ahead of tlusty btw and barry trapp said he would have picked that player on his way out the leafs door.  Since St Louis just traded their best defensemen for Stewart there is no way they trade him.  The leafs would have a better chance getting latendress from minnesota.  He is a similar type of player and about the same age.

Wow.  I never noticed that Tlusty was in that draft picked at 13 which was 5 ahead of Stewart.  Now I am a little depressed.

I noticed in the 2nd round that the Canadiens picked Ben Maxwell ahead of Milan Lucic.    I feel a bit better now.

 

[Britishbulldog]

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

Yeah, neither of those things are ever going to happen.

I thought that it was rumoured that Burke was looking at Morrow?  Not for Lupul I know but I thought Morrow was on the radar.

 

[McPwnage]

If the Leafs are trading with St Louis then I hope Burke would go for '87 Chris Stewart.  Perfect 2nd line RH shot.  I wonder if Franson would like the Blues??

Get '79 Morrow from Dallas for the 1st line and the Leafs would be set until 2012/13 UFA season.  Straight up for Lupul would get Dallas 4 years younger.

The leafs could have drafted stewart ahead of tlusty btw and barry trapp said he would have picked that player on his way out the leafs door.  Since St Louis just traded their best defensemen for Stewart there is no way they trade him.  The leafs would have a better chance getting latendress from minnesota.  He is a similar type of player and about the same age.

Wow.  I never noticed that Tlusty was in that draft picked at 13 which was 5 ahead of Stewart.  Now I am a little depressed.

I noticed in the 2nd round that the Canadiens picked Ben Maxwell ahead of Milan Lucic.    I feel a bit better now.

I would prefer claude giroux to stewart if we are redoing that draft, would solve our whole number 1c problem nicely

 

[Erndog]

Ok, so Columbus sucks, will likely continue to suck, are right near the cap and are drawing no one to their games. 

You know where I am going with this

I should point out that I do not think they will blow it up (certainly not 5 games into the season after having just acquired Carter/Wisniewski) but ANY chance that sometime in the not too distant future they say 'to hell with it, let's blow this thing up' and deal Nash?  Probably not eh?