The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[bustaheims]

I don't think so. Wouldnt he pull 2 pay cheques?

No. A contract with a new team supersedes the existing contract.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What is it about Eakins that appeals to you?  Honestly curious as I don't know much at all about his coaching style.

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it. I really don't see the big deal. Yes, I like what Eakins has done with the Marlies, but quite frankly there's probably lots of coaches like him in the AHL right now. That's not to say that I'd be upset about losing him, it's more that I'm not really all that worried about somebody else picking him up. He hasn't been linked to a single NHL coaching position once yet.

Also, considering it's the Leafs, I'm assuming he gets paid a little more than the average AHL coach does, so he probably has a pretty comfortable position where he is.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

DamoSpinDamien Cox
In case you think the Carlyle-to-Leafs is only a topic in Toronto, u shud know its all the chatter down here in DC before Caps/Pens tonite.

It wouldn't shock me if Carlyle joins the Leafs in some capacity, but, it would shock me if it's as head coach.

NHL teams seem to be looking more at new and younger coaches, so while Carlyle isn't exactly a relic he's probably approaching the point where he has to start looking at other options. He probably would have liked to coach a few more years, but this firing may make him re-consider that. I'd have to think Burke will at least give him a call and bring it up for discussion.

 

[Zee]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

I never said that people didn't want Eakins as coach before the article, but that nobody had the sense that if that move didn't happen quickly then Eakins would be scooped up before then.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I thought it was the Steve Simmons Manufactured Controversy of the WeekTM since Twittergate fizzled out.

 

[cw]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

You've been calling for Wilson's head on a platter for so long, it was making me smile (not 'cause I hate Wilson because I don't). For some reason, you jumping at every opportunity to replace Ron, it kind of amused me. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I thought it was the Steve Simmons Manufactured Controversy of the WeekTM since Twittergate fizzled out.

You're right, it was Simmons.

 

[Zee]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

I never said that people didn't want Eakins as coach before the article, but that nobody had the sense that if that move didn't happen quickly then Eakins would be scooped up before then.

It's implied in my post, I think Cox reads this board and came up with the idea from me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

I never said that people didn't want Eakins as coach before the article, but that nobody had the sense that if that move didn't happen quickly then Eakins would be scooped up before then.

It's implied in my post, I think Cox reads this board and came up with the idea from me.

You're only Eakins-related post from that day in question:

... and replace him with? Every time I get my Wilson hate on, I find myself asking that question.

Eakins.

I don't really see the implication.

 

[Kin]

Here's something I don't get. Has Eakins ever been mentioned for an NHL head coaching job before now? Usually when a AHL or junior coach is seen as a hot commodity it's on the heels of him being connected to NHL vacancies. Hunter, Muller, Dineen and guys like that were all frequently listed as possible candidates for various jobs. Has Eakins gotten the same attention?

Also, I mean, has Eakins even really produced anything terrific? His record coaching the team is ok but nothing to write home about and for all the talk of talent in the system the only guys on the Leafs right now who played much for Eakins are...Bozak and Crabb? What's he hanging his hat on right now?

 

[Zee]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

I never said that people didn't want Eakins as coach before the article, but that nobody had the sense that if that move didn't happen quickly then Eakins would be scooped up before then.

It's implied in my post, I think Cox reads this board and came up with the idea from me.

You're only Eakins-related post from that day in question:

... and replace him with? Every time I get my Wilson hate on, I find myself asking that question.

Eakins.

I don't really see the implication.

I was only joking

 

[Fanatic]

Here's something I don't get. Has Eakins ever been mentioned for an NHL head coaching job before now? Usually when a AHL or junior coach is seen as a hot commodity it's on the heels of him being connected to NHL vacancies. Hunter, Muller, Dineen and guys like that were all frequently listed as possible candidates for various jobs. Has Eakins gotten the same attention?

Also, I mean, has Eakins even really produced anything terrific? His record coaching the team is ok but nothing to write home about and for all the talk of talent in the system the only guys on the Leafs right now who played much for Eakins are...Bozak and Crabb? What's he hanging his hat on right now?

On the whole I would I agree with that. Where did this hype come from? A newspaper article? Perhaps folks in the media and in hockey circles are aware of things we are not.

I think the biggest measuring stick for his effectiveness as an up and coming coach will lie with Kadri.

Kadri is a guy that appears to have slipped down the depth chart a little and is now being left to truly get some development time with Eakins. So far that appears to be going well. If Kadri can make the jump to the NHL and finally play a complete game and stick as an NHLer I think that will be a good notch for Eakins on his coaching belt.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Nobody seemed all that worried about losing Eakins until Cox posted an article about it.

I'd like the record to show I was calling for Eakins as coach back on November 9th, long before Cox's article.

I never said that people didn't want Eakins as coach before the article, but that nobody had the sense that if that move didn't happen quickly then Eakins would be scooped up before then.

It's implied in my post, I think Cox reads this board and came up with the idea from me.

You're only Eakins-related post from that day in question:

... and replace him with? Every time I get my Wilson hate on, I find myself asking that question.

Eakins.

I don't really see the implication.

I was only joking

To be honest, Simmons has been known to come up with just as much pseudo-controversy with even less inspiration than that.

 

[cw]

Here's something I don't get. Has Eakins ever been mentioned for an NHL head coaching job before now? Usually when a AHL or junior coach is seen as a hot commodity it's on the heels of him being connected to NHL vacancies. Hunter, Muller, Dineen and guys like that were all frequently listed as possible candidates for various jobs. Has Eakins gotten the same attention?

Also, I mean, has Eakins even really produced anything terrific? His record coaching the team is ok but nothing to write home about and for all the talk of talent in the system the only guys on the Leafs right now who played much for Eakins are...Bozak and Crabb? What's he hanging his hat on right now?

Eakins didn't finish his playing career until '04. Compared to a number of the coaching candidates, his resume is quite light in coaching.

Many of the NHL coaches and candidates have at the very least proven themselves as coahes in lower levels of hockey. Often, they've won championships there. Eakins has yet to coach a playoff game as a head coach or assistant.

Eakins certainly knows the AHL because he spent most of his career playing there. He was a fringe NHL depth dman with his longest NHL season being 23 games.

I don't know how meaningful that is because Trotz, Boucher, Martin, Hitchcock & Babcock for example had much less if no pro playing experience beyond CHL/NCAA as a player (or in Hitchock's case - virtually no playing experience beyond pickup hockey).

I strongly suspect Eakins name is more prominent because of where he's coaching - within the Toronto media associated with the Leafs. And because he's handled himself pretty well with that media.

In fairness to him, he's had major issues with callups and injuries with the Marlies. And when his guys have been called up, for the most part, they've done a very credible job. He's definitely not a bad coach in my opinion. How good he is I'm not sure.

If one looked at Kirk Muller's coaching credentials as a head coach, they're very light. He coached Queen's to a losing record one season and coached a few games in the AHL this season. After his PC, I'm a little concerned for him. He was renown in the league when he played as a good leader so maybe he's there for some serious cheer leading and motivation.

Bruce Boudreau came by his position by being ahead coach in the minors for years and winning a couple of championships there. Meanwhile, another exLeaf, John Anderson, has won five championships in three different minor leagues which earned him one shot with a not so great Atlanta situation and he doesn't get mentioned much. He's got as good a resume as any NHL rookie coach. Dave Tippett hired him as an assistant so there's still hope for another crack.

I'm not sure I fully understand it beyond "it's who you know".

 

[Kin]

If one looked at Kirk Muller's coaching credentials as a head coach, they're very light. He coached Queen's to a losing record one season and coached a few games in the AHL this season. After his PC, I'm a little concerned for him. He was renown in the league when he played as a good leader so maybe he's there for some serious cheer leading and motivation.

When you look at hockey, or any major sport, there are two avenues to a head coaching/managing job for the most part. There's succeeding as a head coach in a lower league or being a successful assistant coach in the major league. Muller clearly got hired on the strength of what he did with Montreal as an assistant.

I don't know what separates the good from bad for the most part when people evaluate one or the other. You'd like to trust the system and say that if a coach gets hired that he's obviously well regarded but obviously the worst coaches in history passed that test.

Anyways, my point with Eakins wasn't that he was bad, just that I didn't buy him as a hot commodity because he hadn't been mentioned as such much in the press and I don't think there's an objective standard by which he's been a screaming success.

 

[Zee]

Alright fine.  I'm not saying another word about firing Ron Wilson this season (provided the season doesn't suddenly go off the rails)

If they're at least in the hunt, he stays.  If he makes the playoffs he stays.

If the Leafs miss the playoffs again, you can bet i'll be in here calling for his firing.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

Alright fine.  I'm not saying another word about firing Ron Wilson this season (provided the season doesn't suddenly go off the rails)

If they're at least in the hunt, he stays.  If he makes the playoffs he stays.

If the Leafs miss the playoffs again, you can bet i'll be in here calling for his firing.

well i'm sure Ron is relieved to hear that

 

[Zee]

Alright fine.  I'm not saying another word about firing Ron Wilson this season (provided the season doesn't suddenly go off the rails)

If they're at least in the hunt, he stays.  If he makes the playoffs he stays.

If the Leafs miss the playoffs again, you can bet i'll be in here calling for his firing.

well i'm sure Ron is relieved to hear that

Probably not, but cw might be. 

 

[jonlleafs]

Alright fine.  I'm not saying another word about firing Ron Wilson this season (provided the season doesn't suddenly go off the rails)

If they're at least in the hunt, he stays.  If he makes the playoffs he stays.

If the Leafs miss the playoffs again, you can bet i'll be in here calling for his firing.

I haven't been following the thread, but what I don't get is why people are even calling for him to be fired?  This includes the media.  This to me seems asinine.  A team that until the Boston game was 1st in their division, 3rd in their conference should never be fired no matter what.  Yes, unless the rails fall off, but until that happens, it should never be brought up as a topic.  Just think about this for a second.  Let's say at your work, you're doing a bang up job.  If you work on a product, your product is making tons of money out there, but then your boss pulls you into the office and tells you you're fired.  Does that make any sense whatsoever?  And what does that tell prospective candidates about your company when you do need to hire someone?  All it says is that, even if you're performing well, you can still get canned.  I dunno about you guys, but I wouldn't want to work for a company like that.