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freer said:
bustaheims said:
Bender said:
Why does everyone want a mediocre Nash and his albatross contract?

Because, he's a big sparkly name . . . and the type of player the Leafs need, just not at that price tag and acquisition cost.

Wondering about Shane Doan. He is a big player who hits and has leadership skills. I know he is older but he would be a nice fit. Anyone else?

I remember seeing a feature on HNIC about him, he seems to be pretty settled in Arizona, I'd be shocked if he plays anywhere else.
 
Deebo said:
freer said:
bustaheims said:
Bender said:
Why does everyone want a mediocre Nash and his albatross contract?

Because, he's a big sparkly name . . . and the type of player the Leafs need, just not at that price tag and acquisition cost.

Wondering about Shane Doan. He is a big player who hits and has leadership skills. I know he is older but he would be a nice fit. Anyone else?

I remember seeing a feature on HNIC about him, he seems to be pretty settled in Arizona, I'd be shocked if he plays anywhere else.

That's fine except there very likely won't be a team in Arizona next year, so he either retires, or moves.
 
freer said:
Wondering about Shane Doan. He is a big player who hits and has leadership skills. I know he is older but he would be a nice fit. Anyone else?

Like others have said, it may be difficult to convince him to leave Arizona, but, if it can be done, he's one of the few UFAs that I'd want the Leafs to go after this summer.
 
jdh1 said:
Because hopefully he wants to come to TO and is got only about 3 teams that he will go to.

Just because he might want to play in Toronto doesn't mean the Leafs should sacrifice the type of assets it would require to get Columbus to make that deal.
 
bustaheims said:
jdh1 said:
Because hopefully he wants to come to TO and is got only about 3 teams that he will go to.

Just because he might want to play in Toronto doesn't mean the Leafs should sacrifice the type of assets it would require to get Columbus to make that deal.
Would you part with Schenn as part of that deal?
 
Corn Flake said:
Deebo said:
freer said:
bustaheims said:
Bender said:
Why does everyone want a mediocre Nash and his albatross contract?

Because, he's a big sparkly name . . . and the type of player the Leafs need, just not at that price tag and acquisition cost.

Wondering about Shane Doan. He is a big player who hits and has leadership skills. I know he is older but he would be a nice fit. Anyone else?

I remember seeing a feature on HNIC about him, he seems to be pretty settled in Arizona, I'd be shocked if he plays anywhere else.

That's fine except there very likely won't be a team in Arizona next year, so he either retires, or moves.

I wouldn't be surprised if he chose retiring if those were the 2 options.
 
jdh1 said:
Would you part with Schenn as part of that deal?

Sure, but Schenn isn't the issue to me - it's the amount and quality of the other assets that would have to be moved with Schenn to get it done.
 
bustaheims said:
jdh1 said:
Would you part with Schenn as part of that deal?

Sure, but Schenn isn't the issue to me - it's the amount and quality of the other assets that would have to be moved with Schenn to get it done.
I'd be okay with Schenn,Kadri,a dead weight contract like Connolly and our 2nd..but that's about it.

I can't see Kadri ever becoming better than a 2nd line center,so I could part with him as well.
 
I read this article:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=626016

and the line that stuck out was how Yakupov and Galchenyuk have "sedin-like" vision for one another.  So, how about we "just" trade for the #1 overall, grab Yakupov, and take Galchenyuk at #5.  Sounds good to me!  :-)
 
jdh1 said:
I'd be okay with Schenn,Kadri,a dead weight contract like Connolly and our 2nd..but that's about it.

I can't see Kadri ever becoming better than a 2nd line center,so I could part with him as well.

Based on what Columbus was asking for at the deadline, that doesn't even come close to getting it done.
 
bustaheims said:
jdh1 said:
Would you part with Schenn as part of that deal?

Sure, but Schenn isn't the issue to me - it's the amount and quality of the other assets that would have to be moved with Schenn to get it done.

Besides, Schenn is going to Edmonton for their first.  8)
 
princedpw said:
I read this article:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=626016

and the line that stuck out was how Yakupov and Galchenyuk have "sedin-like" vision for one another.  So, how about we "just" trade for the #1 overall, grab Yakupov, and take Galchenyuk at #5.  Sounds good to me!  :-)

I'm betting Burke has already made phone calls in an attempt to figure out how he can get this done.  There's probably a slim chance it happens, but Im almost certain he'll be working on it.  Without the usual bluster, I hope.
 
bustaheims said:
jdh1 said:
I'd be okay with Schenn,Kadri,a dead weight contract like Connolly and our 2nd..but that's about it.

I can't see Kadri ever becoming better than a 2nd line center,so I could part with him as well.

Based on what Columbus was asking for at the deadline, that doesn't even come close to getting it done.
Well,I think that's pretty fair...like you or someone else has said Nash isn't much more than medioker right now..allthough in TO he might do 60 pts. and is a big body which Burke wants.
 
LuncheonMeat said:
princedpw said:
I read this article:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=626016

and the line that stuck out was how Yakupov and Galchenyuk have "sedin-like" vision for one another.  So, how about we "just" trade for the #1 overall, grab Yakupov, and take Galchenyuk at #5.  Sounds good to me!  :-)

I'm betting Burke has already made phone calls in an attempt to figure out how he can get this done.  There's probably a slim chance it happens, but Im almost certain he'll be working on it.  Without the usual bluster, I hope.

Yeah ok, now we're gonna draft #1 and still keep our pick and get Galchenyuk as well?  LOL.  Will we also have flying ponys and visions of stanley cups on draft day?
 
jdh1 said:
bustaheims said:
jdh1 said:
Would you part with Schenn as part of that deal?

Sure, but Schenn isn't the issue to me - it's the amount and quality of the other assets that would have to be moved with Schenn to get it done.
I'd be okay with Schenn,Kadri,a dead weight contract like Connolly and our 2nd..but that's about it.

I can't see Kadri ever becoming better than a 2nd line center,so I could part with him as well.

I'd be very surprised if the Jackets even entertained that offer, as they lose the biggest name and take back the same amount of salary.

I'd bet that in 2-3 years the amount Schenn and Kadri produce relative to what they make will far surpass that of Nash. For $7.8M per against the cap, we need a guy who scores a heck of a lot more than 65 pts a season.

Again I think it would be more prudent to save the dollars for a great UFA crop in 2013, keep our young blue-chip (relatively speaking) talent, and risk bottoming out in what looks to be a pretty good draft class in 2013.

By that time we'll have plenty of anchor contracts off the books, our younger prospects will be ready to play/be traded for needs, and we'll have a sense of what the build has ultimately brought about.

Going for it in 2012-13 has disaster written all over it (unless of course we sign every major UFA out there and manage to trade all our deadweight for incredible return).
 
Bullfrog said:
I'm sorry, but I think I just read a few posts saying Nash is mediocre.

Phil Kessel outscores him and they both play on bad teams.  He has averaged 64 points over the past three seasons, he is not mediocre but the idea that he is going to come in here and blow the barn doors off seems like a bit of a stretch.  At 28 he has passed 70 points once in his career and that was also the year he scored 40 goals.

He does bring a set of intangibles that we need, question though is how much are you willing to pay for a guy who is producing at that level getting paid like a top ten in the league franchise player.

Bullfrog I know that's not at all what you said, just speaking to my thoughts on Nash in general.
 
Deebo said:
Corn Flake said:
That's fine except there very likely won't be a team in Arizona next year, so he either retires, or moves.

I wouldn't be surprised if he chose retiring if those were the 2 options.

Yeah, there's speculation out there that he would rather retire than move. If Phoenix does go and Doan decides to play it will very likely be for a team close to that area (LA, ANA, COL).
 
I don't mean to derail the thread too much, but I really can't see how consecutive seasons of 17, 41, 31, 27, 38, 40, 33, 32, and 30 goals can lead anyone to consider use of the word mediocre.

Is he worth a cap hit of $7.8M? No, but he's a star, for sure.
 
Bullfrog said:
I don't mean to derail the thread too much, but I really can't see how consecutive seasons of 17, 41, 31, 27, 38, 40, 33, 32, and 30 goals can lead anyone to consider use of the word mediocre.

Is he worth a cap hit of $7.8M? No, but he's a star, for sure.

7th most goals in the NHL since the lockout.
 

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