TOP 5 PICK!!!

[maplesyrup]

So what did we conclude here?  :-\

 

[Kin]

So what did we conclude here?  :-\

Hopefully? That when the Leafs are desperate for elite level talent they shouldn't reduce their chances at it. Realistically? I can still type very fast when I'm hungover.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm still not convinced that trading back reduces the chances as opposed to increases the chances in this draft but hey, in theory, I suppose you're right. 

 

[Kin]

I'm still not convinced that trading back reduces the chances as opposed to increases the chances in this draft but hey, in theory, I suppose you're right.

At that point it's really just you arguing with the history of the draft as opposed to with me. Even in "bad drafts" the best players tend to congregate at the top.

 

[Bullfrog]

Sorry. Really not following you here.  :-\ Leafs like player X and then blamo!, he's gone. Now they're on the clock. I'm pretty sure they have a board they have a bunch of plans at that point to either take another guy they like or trade back.

That's the point. I'd assume that the dozens of front office elves will be fairly familiar with the top players in the draft. When they have to make a decision the task in front of them will be assessing who's left and deciding who their guy is.

I doubt there's much assessing done at the draft (for the 1st round), especially considering they're in the top 5. Any decisions will be whether they trade up or down, and this will determine their moves. With respect to what player to pick, that'll all be predetermined.

 

[Kin]

I doubt there's much assessing done at the draft (for the 1st round), especially considering they're in the top 5. Any decisions will be whether they trade up or down, and this will determine their moves. With respect to what player to pick, that'll all be predetermined.

Admittedly, assessing who's left at #5 isn't much of a task but I was more speaking to the draft as a whole there.

 

[Newbury]

There's some intriguing prospects in this draft. I'm hoping for one of Galchenyuk or Forsberg with our fifth, but I've been thinking about our second rounder recently.

I haven't seen much of him, but does anyone know much about Tom Wilson on Plymouth? He had 27 points in 49 regular season games to go with 141 PIM, but played at a point-per-game pace in the playoffs, leading the team with 13 points. He's also 6'4 and 195lbs. A couple mock drafts have him going late first. Anybody know anything more on him?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

There's some intriguing prospects in this draft. I'm hoping for one of Galchenyuk or Forsberg with our fifth, but I've been thinking about our second rounder recently.

I haven't seen much of him, but does anyone know much about Tom Wilson on Plymouth? He had 27 points in 49 regular season games to go with 141 PIM, but played at a point-per-game pace in the playoffs, leading the team with 13 points. He's also 6'4 and 195lbs. A couple mock drafts have him going late first. Anybody know anything more on him?

I posted a profile that was written about him a little while ago:

http://thehockeywriters.com/tom-wilson-the-next-ones-nhl-2012-draft-prospect-profile-the-next-great-power-forward/

Like you said, he'll probably be going at some point in the 20's, so we'd have to trade up in order to pick him. He sounds a lot like Tyler Biggs though, somebody who could very well top out as a very good 3rd line player if his offense doesn't translate to the NHL. And while that's certainly not a bad thing considering the other elements he can bring, I wouldn't be nuts about Burke taking a player with somewhat limited potential two drafts in a row.

If we move up with our 2nd round pick I would hope it would be for someone with a higher offensive ceiling like Martin Frk, Tanner Pearson, or Phillip Di Giuseppe. Or one of the top-2 goalies if they fall that far.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

There's some intriguing prospects in this draft. I'm hoping for one of Galchenyuk or Forsberg with our fifth, but I've been thinking about our second rounder recently.

I haven't seen much of him, but does anyone know much about Tom Wilson on Plymouth? He had 27 points in 49 regular season games to go with 141 PIM, but played at a point-per-game pace in the playoffs, leading the team with 13 points. He's also 6'4 and 195lbs. A couple mock drafts have him going late first. Anybody know anything more on him?

I posted a profile that was written about him a little while ago:

http://thehockeywriters.com/tom-wilson-the-next-ones-nhl-2012-draft-prospect-profile-the-next-great-power-forward/

Like you said, he'll probably be going at some point in the 20's, so we'd have to trade up in order to pick him. He sounds a lot like Tyler Biggs though, somebody who could very well top out as a very good 3rd line player if his offense doesn't translate to the NHL. And while that's certainly not a bad thing considering the other elements he can bring, I wouldn't be nuts about Burke taking a player with somewhat limited potential two drafts in a row.

If we move up with our 2nd round pick I would hope it would be for someone with a higher offensive ceiling like Martin Frk, Tanner Pearson, or Phillip Di Giuseppe. Or one of the top-2 goalies if they fall that far.

In the latter 1st/early 2nd round, other than the 2003 draft (and any players who fall for injury concerns/other reasons) aren't you pretty much going to be drafting someone with limited potential?  Sure they could turn out better than expected, but you're not likely to be getting a high end offensive talent, at least not one that isn't Robbie Schremp-ish.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

In the latter 1st/early 2nd round, other than the 2003 draft (and any players who fall for injury concerns/other reasons) aren't you pretty much going to be drafting someone with limited potential?  Sure they could turn out better than expected, but you're not likely to be getting a high end offensive talent, at least not one that isn't Robbie Schremp-ish.

Obviously when you're picking late in the first the guy you're getting isn't going to be a guaranteed top liner, but you can still find good players there. I'm just saying I hope we take a guy with a higher offensive ceiling. A guy like Wilson might be a safer pick then say a Frk, but considering we have a top-5 pick in the bag and our prospect pool is pretty much full of somewhat "safe" prospects, it's probably worth the risk going with the guy who could be more of an offensive threat in the NHL.

 

[Tigger]

Interesting to see Lowe talk about Murray at the World camp...

Watching will be Team Canada GM Kevin Lowe, president of hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers and owner of the first pick in the upcoming NHL draft.

He?s here to get an up close and personal chance to evaluate Murray. Behind the bench will be the rumoured next coach of the Oilers, Brent Sutter.

?Did you see him?? Lowe said of Murray?s workout with Team Canada on Saturday.

?Just from one practice, it was obvious he doesn?t look at all out of place. He was very composed out there.

 

[Corn Flake]

Bet: no way Oilers leave the draft without Ryan Murray.

@reporterchris  Attention #oilers fans: Kevin Lowe was just gushing about Ryan Murray. Says he saw him play a "flawless" game in Everett recently.

 

[maplesyrup]

He might not be there @ 5. I can't see the Leafs and Oilers swapping picks if Murray is indeed their target. That said, if they do trade down for Murray ahead of the Leafs, it means we're going to get one of the top forwards so... Yay? 

 

[ZBBM]

I have 3 words for you:

Gal.  Chen.  Yukkk.

 

[Corn Flake]

He might not be there @ 5. I can't see the Leafs and Oilers swapping picks if Murray is indeed their target. That said, if they do trade down for Murray ahead of the Leafs, it means we're going to get one of the top forwards so... Yay?

Edmonton could stay where they are and yes we would still get one of the top forwards... unless that is what you meant.

 

[Peter D.]

I have 3 words for you:

Gal.  Chen.  Yukkk.

I was reading THN's draft preview, and while a small sample size from the scouting world, Galchenyuk would be my preference after Yakupov.  Based on what the scouts were saying, I am even more firm in my stance that I don't want to see the Leafs have anything to do with a d-man at #5 unless the "big four" forwards go ahead of us. 

 

[Tigger]

He might not be there @ 5. I can't see the Leafs and Oilers swapping picks if Murray is indeed their target. That said, if they do trade down for Murray ahead of the Leafs, it means we're going to get one of the top forwards so... Yay?

Edmonton could stay where they are and yes we would still get one of the top forwards... unless that is what you meant.

A perfect storm for the Leafs would see both Columbus and Edmonton amenable to trading down, if they want to try to get Yakupov that is. If not, Galchenyuk would be more than fine by me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I have 3 words for you:

Gal.  Chen.  Yukkk.

I was reading THN's draft preview, and while a small sample size from the scouting world, Galchenyuk would be my preference after Yakupov.  Based on what the scouts were saying, I am even more firm in my stance that I don't want to see the Leafs have anything to do with a d-man at #5 unless the "big four" forwards go ahead of us. 

Agreed. I was a little hesitant on Forsberg and would have considered a defenceman ahead of him, but his strong performance at the U18's changed my mind there.

 

[maplesyrup]

He might not be there @ 5. I can't see the Leafs and Oilers swapping picks if Murray is indeed their target. That said, if they do trade down for Murray ahead of the Leafs, it means we're going to get one of the top forwards so... Yay?

Edmonton could stay where they are and yes we would still get one of the top forwards... unless that is what you meant.

Yeah. I meant I can't see Edmonton trading with the Leafs if they want Murray. - Decent chance he's be gone. They should/could consider trading a couple spots back either way, Murray going in the top 5 is good for those who want us to get one of the higher rated forwards.

 

[moon111]

I have 3 words for you:

Gal.  Chen.  Yukkk.

I was reading THN's draft preview, and while a small sample size from the scouting world, Galchenyuk would be my preference after Yakupov.  Based on what the scouts were saying, I am even more firm in my stance that I don't want to see the Leafs have anything to do with a d-man at #5 unless the "big four" forwards go ahead of us.

Remember when they took the 1984-85 WHL's Top Defenseman?