Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread

[Crucialness Key]

Was having "McCement" in that lineup meant to be a dig? 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Unfortunately, I think the new TV deal pretty much takes care of the Weber contract for Nahville, I doubt they move him unless it is a hockey deal and in that case I don't think we have the assets to give without crippling the future.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Are you insane. I wouldn't even think of going there. them four pieces would get you Crosby or ovie.

Sarcasm, right? The reality is it's the other way. Those four pieces are not enough for Weber.

  Exactly, that is why I classified as 'fantasy'.  It would allow the Leafs to keep their current roster basically intact while upgrading Gunnarsson with Weber.  Beautiful on paper, foolish in reality.

...at least I think he is being sarcastic....

 

[Britishbulldog]

Unfortunately, I think the new TV deal pretty much takes care of the Weber contract for Nahville, I doubt they move him unless it is a hockey deal and in that case I don't think we have the assets to give without crippling the future.

The only solace we can take out of this is that as great as Weber is, he was selected with a compensatory pick 49th over all.  In fact even Nashville themselves drafted Suter and Klein a head of Weber that draft.  Weber wasn't projected 1st overall or even in the top 10.

Hopefully the huge scouting and elite management team can pull off a similar heist just once a decade.

 

[nutman]

Yes... my point is, we don't have the spare parts for him. Not without taking all our best up and coming parts for one player.

 

[losveratos]

Unfortunately, I think the new TV deal pretty much takes care of the Weber contract for Nahville, I doubt they move him unless it is a hockey deal and in that case I don't think we have the assets to give without crippling the future.

The only solace we can take out of this is that as great as Weber is, he was selected with a compensatory pick 49th over all.  In fact even Nashville themselves drafted Suter and Klein a head of Weber that draft.  Weber wasn't projected 1st overall or even in the top 10.

Hopefully the huge scouting and elite management team can pull off a similar heist just once a decade.

I'd say our scouts are some of the best at getting 3rd/4th liners and 2nd/3rd pairing d. Even their goalie picks have been fairly consistent.

Reimer was a 4th rounder
Gunner was a 7th
Frattin was a 4th
Komarov was a 6th
D'Amigo was a 6th
Connor Brown was a 6th

The marlies are looking pretty good most nights and a lot of those guys can jump up to 5/6 d and not look out of place, as well as a lot of material available for our 3rd/4th lines too.

But yeah... we certainly need a few more high risk picks. Like when we selected Rielly. I'm not sold on solid 3rd line picks like Gauthier really. We seem to be able to get those kind of guys with our later picks every year or two.

 

[Champ Kind]

The blockbuster trade I would try is still with Florida for Gudbranson.  I would try something like Reimer and Franson for Gudbranson...and maybe get them to throw in UFA Clemmenson to back Bernier until the end of the year.

I would pursue this trade, certainly not giving them as much as you have, but Gudbranson is a good target. You would be buying a tad low, as I don't think Gudbranson is where he should be. The question is, do you think Gudbranson will be a star?

Trading for Weber would gut our team of too many young parts to call us a playoff contender I think.

That would leave the lineup:

JVR / Bozak / Kessel
Kulemin / Holland / Clarkson
D'Amigo / Bolland / Leivo
McLaren / McCement / Orr

Rielly / Weber
Phaneuf / Gudbranson
Gunnarsson / Gleason

Bernier
Clemmenson

Yikes.  That's a measly forward group.  Without a doubt, the defense is improved but when you eliminate 50% of your legit Top 6 forwards the offensive outlook is challenegd to say the least.

Without question, this is the predicament the Leafs are in.  They have some great assets, but they are not evenly distributed across the lineup.  The challenge is getting the mix in the reallocation just right.

Bulldog, I like the idea of moving Kadri because Holland appears ready.  I like the idea of Franson (+) being moved and Gubrandson brought in.  And I'm for moving Reimer if a quality backup can be obtained.  I suppose, then, the question is: would Kadri + Reimer bring back a top line forward, preferably a centre?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

1st Pick 2104, Holland, Gunnarsson, and Connor Brown for Weber.

Are you insane. I wouldn't even think of going there. them four pieces would get you Crosby or ovie.

The secret discussions between Dave Nonis and Ray Shero, on the trade of Sidney Crosby:

Shero:  "Okay, Dave, for starters, we're going to need between 0 and 1 first round picks.  I think we're pretty much determined that it has to be 1 first round pick."
Nonis:  "Okay, Ray, we can handle that."
Shero:  "Our second demand:  we're going to need an NHL-ready forward prospect, somebody with some upside.  No older than 19."
Nonis:  "How about Peter Holland?  He's only 23."
Shero:  "Perfect!  Now, we're also going to need a defenseman, somebody with big offensive potential, a spotless injury record, and lots of playoff experience."
Nonis:  "Carl Gunnarsson's your man.  4-goal, 20-point potential, no non-groin injuries whatsoever, and a sweet 7 games of intense playoff seasoning."
Shero:  "Yeah, that's who I'm talking about!  Now last, I'm going to need a smallish late bloomer overage junior player who can rock the OHL with no offensive support.  Tell me you have such a player..."
Nonis:  ".... no, I don't..."
Shero:  "Damn!  The deal is off, Nonis!"
Nonis:  "Wait a second, is Connor Brown too big for your needs?"
Shero:  "Maybe not.... who's he playing with?"
Nonis:  "Some no-name who just turned 17 yesterday.  What do you think, do we have a deal?"
Shero:  "Hmmmm....  You drive a hard bargain, Nonis, but I'll do it.  A GM can't turn down that once-in-a-lifetime kind of package."
Nonis:  "And to think I almost traded them all merely for Shea Weber!"

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

*golf clap*

That was real good.  Are you secretly DownGoesBrown?

 

[losveratos]

1st Pick 2104, Holland, Gunnarsson, and Connor Brown for Weber.

Are you insane. I wouldn't even think of going there. them four pieces would get you Crosby or ovie.

The secret discussions between Dave Nonis and Ray Shero, on the trade of Sidney Crosby:

Shero:  "Okay, Dave, for starters, we're going to need between 0 and 1 first round picks.  I think we're pretty much determined that it has to be 1 first round pick."
Nonis:  "Okay, Ray, we can handle that."
Shero:  "Our second demand:  we're going to need an NHL-ready forward prospect, somebody with some upside.  No older than 19."
Nonis:  "How about Peter Holland?  He's only 23."
Shero:  "Perfect!  Now, we're also going to need a defenseman, somebody with big offensive potential, a spotless injury record, and lots of playoff experience."
Nonis:  "Carl Gunnarsson's your man.  4-goal, 20-point potential, no non-groin injuries whatsoever, and a sweet 7 games of intense playoff seasoning."
Shero:  "Yeah, that's who I'm talking about!  Now last, I'm going to need a smallish late bloomer overage junior player who can rock the OHL with no offensive support.  Tell me you have such a player..."
Nonis:  ".... no, I don't..."
Shero:  "Damn!  The deal is off, Nonis!"
Nonis:  "Wait a second, is Connor Brown too big for your needs?"
Shero:  "Maybe not.... who's he playing with?"
Nonis:  "Some no-name who just turned 17 yesterday.  What do you think, do we have a deal?"
Shero:  "Hmmmm....  You drive a hard bargain, Nonis, but I'll do it.  A GM can't turn down that once-in-a-lifetime kind of package."
Nonis:  "And to think I almost traded them all merely for Shea Weber!"

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

 

[Kin]

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

Even then though, if you were Nashville's GM, wouldn't you look at that collection of assets and say that, individually, you could probably acquire those 4, or something equivalent, in other ways but there was basically no way to acquire a Shea Weber?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

Ah, fair point, I hadn't considered that.  I hope you're right in the interests of somewhat reality-based discussion, but I also simultaneously hope you're wrong in the interests of comedic discussion.

 

[losveratos]

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

Even then though, if you were Nashville's GM, wouldn't you look at that collection of assets and say that, individually, you could probably acquire those 4, or something equivalent, in other ways but there was basically no way to acquire a Shea Weber?

This was only under the assumption that they're trading him because of the money issues. JVR is a great caphit, Reilly is as cheap as it gets, a 1st is a given and ours isn't too shabby a position, and finally Kadri... well he's a mixed bag. Maybe something like Bolland or Bozak instead if they wanted. Gauthier even. Whatever center they want on our team is what I'm saying.

If they don't need/want to trade him. Then I would assume that the talk starts at Kessel and ends somewhere very uncomfortable.

 

[losveratos]

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

Ah, fair point, I hadn't considered that.  I hope you're right in the interests of somewhat reality-based discussion, but I also simultaneously hope you're wrong in the interests of comedic discussion.

Sounds fair

Shero: Do you have any under performing ego driven players with "intangibles" that no one would miss if he's gone?
Nonis: You drive a hard bargain! How does Kadri sit for you?
Shero: I don't know... maybe not enough ego.
Carlyle: The kids got swagger!
Nonis: Get off the extension Carlyle!
Shero: Sold!

Something like that?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

*golf clap*

That was real good.  Are you secretly DownGoesBrown?

Alas, no, just a cheap knock-off.

 

[Britishbulldog]

To be fair... I think he meant this one was insane.

"I could see a Nashville trade for Weber easily being Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st for Weber."

Still not enough in my opinion. For Weber it would have to be Rielly not Gardiner and JVR not Lupul.

Even then though, if you were Nashville's GM, wouldn't you look at that collection of assets and say that, individually, you could probably acquire those 4, or something equivalent, in other ways but there was basically no way to acquire a Shea Weber?

This was only under the assumption that they're trading him because of the money issues. JVR is a great caphit, Reilly is as cheap as it gets, a 1st is a given and ours isn't too shabby a position, and finally Kadri... well he's a mixed bag. Maybe something like Bolland or Bozak instead if they wanted. Gauthier even. Whatever center they want on our team is what I'm saying.

If they don't need/want to trade him. Then I would assume that the talk starts at Kessel and ends somewhere very uncomfortable.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make.  In fantasy land the Armchair GM can trade extra parts to get that star player needed but in reality it won't be for unproven prospects and draft picks as Nashville already turned that down with matching the Flyers offer sheet.  If that isn't good enough then we look at their needs.  The have a $7 MIL goalie they believe in, a lot of solid dmen and their centers are doing well and must be leading the NHL in FO% but I don't know that for sure.  Nashville's weakness is scoring off the wings.

When I said 'easily be' I meant it would easily be the starting with those assets and would go from there.

In all honesty, if Nashville turned down 4 1st picks and chose the financial stress instead for Weber they might be wanting JVR, Lupul, Rielly and a 1st before they would seriously consider a trade especially since WIGWAL pointed out that the TV deal removed the financial pressure from Nashville now.  That being the case, Weber is now with Stewart and Scatchard in my hopeless box.

 

[Tigger]

A rough template for next year, barring whatever you could get in a trade for Reimer and Franson... if they want to they'll only be able to keep one from the looks of that ... and yeah, I just dumped the face punchers. They have room to make some deals.

FORWARDS
JVR ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Peter Holland ($1.251m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m) / Dave Bolland ($4.275m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) / Jay McClement ($1.700m) / leo Komarov ($1.750m)
Tyler Biggs ($0.894m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Jake Gardiner ($2.000m)
Paul Ranger ($1.200m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
T.J. Brennan ($0.660m) / Andrew MacWilliam ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Drew MacIntyre ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,849,408; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,250,592

 

[princedpw]

I think Kulemin is going to get more than $3 million.  Offensively, he's a lot like Clarkson, but better defensively.  Plus, teams have an insane amount of cap space this offseason due to the big increase.

 

[Tigger]

I think Kulemin is going to get more than $3 million.  Offensively, he's a lot like Clarkson, but better defensively.  Plus, teams have an insane amount of cap space this offseason due to the big increase.

He could, it'll depend on what he wants to do and how he see's the fit. I think he likes it in Toronto, there may be some discount as a result.

 

[leafplasma]

A rough template for next year, barring whatever you could get in a trade for Reimer and Franson... if they want to they'll only be able to keep one from the looks of that ... and yeah, I just dumped the face punchers. They have room to make some deals.

FORWARDS
JVR ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Peter Holland ($1.251m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m) / Dave Bolland ($4.275m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) / Jay McClement ($1.700m) / leo Komarov ($1.750m)
Tyler Biggs ($0.894m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Jake Gardiner ($2.000m)
Paul Ranger ($1.200m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
T.J. Brennan ($0.660m) / Andrew MacWilliam ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Drew MacIntyre ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,849,408; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,250,592

I seriously doubt we carry 8 dman, I would say your going to see a face puncher in that lineup as well in the press box at least. I would think the team carries 14 forwards and 7 d.