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[Zee]

Where's the Kulemin stuff coming from? The Flyers are forward heavy, they need a defenseman, not another forward IMO. I think that if they do a trade with the Leafs, it will almost definitely be a defenseman leaving Toronto.

If this is all just speculation on players that could be traded, I think it's probably Grabo that gets traded before kulemin would I think.

I think it's Franson + that will go for JVR, if we somehow get him out of Philly.

I think people are suggesting Kulemin could be involved in a separate deal if JVR comes here, not necessarily dealt to Philly.

If we see Schenn tapped on the shoulder tonight in the 2nd period and he doesn't come out for the 3rd we'll know something is up.

 

[Champ Kind]

Where's the Kulemin stuff coming from? The Flyers are forward heavy, they need a defenseman, not another forward IMO. I think that if they do a trade with the Leafs, it will almost definitely be a defenseman leaving Toronto.

If this is all just speculation on players that could be traded, I think it's probably Grabo that gets traded before kulemin would I think.

I think it's Franson + that will go for JVR, if we somehow get him out of Philly.

Great analysis, BWB, and some great prognosticatng I think.  The Franson + prospect / pick makes sense here, with a Grabovski deal recouping the prospect / pick once Bozak returns.

 

[Tigger]

I think it's Franson + that will go for JVR, if we somehow get him out of Philly.

I could see Kulemin being involved in another deal if JVR does come to Toronto the way you suggest, not that I want him to go or anything, could also be MacArthur, hard to say in speculation mode.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

The Franson + prospect / pick makes sense here, with a Grabovski deal recouping the prospect / pick once Bozak returns.

Well, yeah, the center we need is still the main prize. With or without a JVR acquisition, I think the Leafs still need a top center, so I believe Grabo or Bozak will most likely go in a deal to get that player, depending on who's in play and or attainable. Maybe even Connolly getting dealt in a package.

I think the prospect recoup is not on Burkes mind as much as adding key players at this point. We'll probably be down a pick/ prospect or two by the time the team looks more like contenders.

 

[Zee]

I think it's Franson + that will go for JVR, if we somehow get him out of Philly.

I could see Kulemin being involved in another deal if JVR does come to Toronto the way you suggest, not that I want him to go or anything, could also be MacArthur, hard to say in speculation mode.

Yeah to be honest, none of these names could be mentioned for all we know.  This is just media speculation. 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I could see Kulemin being involved in another deal if JVR does come to Toronto the way you suggest, not that I want him to go or anything, could also be MacArthur, hard to say in speculation mode.

I believe that Grabo, Connolly, Lombardi and Komisarek are the least important to lose in a deal, to get a top center. Like you said, I guess teams will be asking for Kulemin, but I think Burke will try to move these players first, adding picks and or prospects to make something work.

 

[Champ Kind]

A blogger (!!!) on Sportsnet.ca is speculating the package could be Voracek + for Schenn.  That one I don't like so much, though I put little weight on the story.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

A blogger (!!!) on Sportsnet.ca is speculating the package could be Voracek + for Schenn.  That one I don't like so much, though I put little weight on the story.

No way that happens IMO. I think Burke could have landed Voracek a while ago and isn't interested in that player.

 

[Zee]

A blogger (!!!) on Sportsnet.ca is speculating the package could be Voracek + for Schenn.  That one I don't like so much, though I put little weight on the story.

Unless that + is Giroux I say no.

 

[Tigger]

I could see Kulemin being involved in another deal if JVR does come to Toronto the way you suggest, not that I want him to go or anything, could also be MacArthur, hard to say in speculation mode.

I believe that Grabo, Connolly, Lombardi and Komisarek are the least important to lose in a deal, to get a top center. Like you said, I guess teams will be asking for Kulemin, but I think Burke will try to move these players first, adding picks and or prospects to make something work.

I have trouble seeing Lombardi or Komi dealt for obvious reasons right now, though he may try, if Burke is after a big centre too I'm not sure who would go to be honest but a centre going the other way makes some sense.

I only mentioned the two wingers as JVR's cap hit and need to play would probably mean a spot has to be opened up there and those two players probably have some worth but like Zee said, I think it's just a mini speculation frenzy right now.

 

[Tigger]

Someone just told me that Dreger mentioned that another player would have to go back in a deal with Schenn for JVR and mentioned Kadri, is that true?

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Someone just told me that Dreger mentioned that another player would have to go back in a deal with Schenn for JVR and mentioned Kadri, is that true?

Aside from size, how much more potential does JVR have over Kadri?  That doesn't feel like a good trade to me.  You also deal away arguably your two biggest trade chips that could be used to land a center, no?

 

[Bill_Berg]

Someone just told me that Dreger mentioned that another player would have to go back in a deal with Schenn for JVR and mentioned Kadri, is that true?

That seems a bit crazy, unless Philly wants to add Hartnell.

 

[Jalili]

Schenn leads the team with 130 hits this season, 36 more than the guy below him, Phaneuf, and Schenn has 64 blocked shots, fourth on the team. That's a lot to give up. He also led all defensemen in hits last season.

Physicality is a positive aspect and everything but it doesn't mean that much on its own when the player struggles to keep up with the pace of the game.

I don't know if he's struggling that much. He is a +7. His ice time is down, but that may just be the result of the team having 6+ defensemen that can play.

Yea but it's +/-... on it's own and without additional perspective it's a meaningless stat.

As for the reduction in ice time, it's really a matter of him being out-played/surpassed by other emerging D-man.

 

[bustaheims]

The longer this is out there and the more ridiculous the rumours get, the more I really believe there's either absolutely nothing to it, or the trade beng discussed involves neither Schenn nor JvR. Or, it's all a smoke screen for another major deal Burke & Nonis are working on.

 

[sampson]

I would be very angry if they traded Grabbo.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I would be very angry if they traded Grabbo.

Even if Getzlaf came back the other way? I mean, I love Grabo also, but I think Burke is going to keep his eyes on the prize. This team needs a big top center, everybody knows it and it's been talked about around here since Mats left.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Schenn leads the team with 130 hits this season, 36 more than the guy below him, Phaneuf, and Schenn has 64 blocked shots, fourth on the team. That's a lot to give up. He also led all defensemen in hits last season.

Physicality is a positive aspect and everything but it doesn't mean that much on its own when the player struggles to keep up with the pace of the game.

I don't know if he's struggling that much. He is a +7. His ice time is down, but that may just be the result of the team having 6+ defensemen that can play.

Yea but it's +/-... on it's own and without additional perspective it's a meaningless stat.

As for the reduction in ice time, it's really a matter of him being out-played/surpassed by other emerging D-man.

+7 is the second best rating on the team.

 

[princedpw]

Schenn leads the team with 130 hits this season, 36 more than the guy below him, Phaneuf, and Schenn has 64 blocked shots, fourth on the team. That's a lot to give up. He also led all defensemen in hits last season.

Physicality is a positive aspect and everything but it doesn't mean that much on its own when the player struggles to keep up with the pace of the game.

I don't know if he's struggling that much. He is a +7. His ice time is down, but that may just be the result of the team having 6+ defensemen that can play.

Yea but it's +/-... on it's own and without additional perspective it's a meaningless stat.

As for the reduction in ice time, it's really a matter of him being out-played/surpassed by other emerging D-man.

+7 is the second best rating on the team.

Yes, but +/- is immensely dependent upon who you play against.  Phaneuf is typically the guy who plays against the best opposition forwards.  I believe Schenn has been sheltered a little bit more recently and is playing more often against weaker opposition.  Watch for it tonight.  Is Schenn playing against Pominville or is he playing against the Sabres third and fourth lines?

 

[princedpw]

I should have noted of course that it is harder for the coach to get the matchup he wants on the road than at home so tonight might reflect a typical road game but might not reflect a typical home game.