World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)

[dappleganger]

So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Yeah but the rest of them weren't any better at all! He was one of the better +/- players heading into the game. I thought Murphy was beyond garbage defensively in comparison and Hamilton looked beyond ordinary.

No argument here.  I think there's a lot of questions for Mr. Spott and his coaching decisions.

 

[Corn Flake]

For me it's less about the fact that he didn't really do anything than it is the fact that Jones and, to a lesser extent, Drouin did look good.

He certainly hasn't looked like the type of player he has been hyped up to be. There was a point where people seemed to touting him as a generational talent type.

IMO anyone doing that with McKinnon was mistaken before, during and after this tournament. 

Connor MacDavid is likely one of those, but McKinnon is probably somewhere between John Tavares and Tyler Seguin in terms of potential and recent draftees... mid-sized centre with PPG potential and may be a "star" player but generational talent? Likely not.

 

[Corn Flake]

So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Are you saying he's just an amped-up version of Tomas Kaberle? 

No, not quite. It seems Rielly shoots first and asks questions later.

Maybe more of a Paul Coffey. 

I know you guys aren't doing this but I wouldn't judge Rielly based on that WJC. He wasn't the same player and I think a big part of that was him being told to keep it far too simple, nor was he utilized nearly as much as he could have been.  Skating into 4 defenders is not his thing. He's a much smarter player than that. 

 

[dappleganger]

I know you guys aren't doing this but I wouldn't judge Rielly based on that WJC. He wasn't the same player and I think a big part of that was him being told to keep it far too simple, nor was he utilized nearly as much as he could have been.  Skating into 4 defenders is not his thing. He's a much smarter player than that.

No, He'll have Kessel up there with him.

Good observation though. I have seen where instead of a wrister he'd take it to the net instead.

Not sure if he felt the need to be more conservative in the WJC or if he has the green light with the Warriors.

I thought he's had a good tournament overall.

Speaking of smart, I've seen a few great passes that's he's made to teammates that they just weren't ready for because they were that good it surprised them -- if that makes sense. He's got some good vision out there.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Bob McKenzie tells it like it is...

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=412699

In other words, Team Canada wilted when it counted the most.  (sigh)

 

[hockeyfan1]

Bronze medal game: Canada/Russia  Sat. @3.30am ET
(At least, we have another chance to salvage something out of this year's tournament).

Gold medal game:     USA/Sweden      Sat. @8.00am ET

Check the TSN website for repeat broadcast times.

 

[Bender]

And now Reinhart suspended 4 games. Wonderful. When was the last time we had so many suspensions in one tourney??

http://m.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1310469--world-juniors-canadian-griffin-reinhart-suspended-four-games-for-slash

 

[Bender]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Leafaholic99]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

I wasn't impressed with Subban since the start, his attitude/ego reminds me of his brother and is no way to act. His tugging in the jersey after he stopped the penalty shot late in the third (against Russia I think) and staring down the player was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for.

 

[Kin]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

I wasn't impressed with Subban since the start, his attitude/ego reminds me of his brother and is no way to act. His tugging in the jersey after he stopped the penalty shot late in the third (against Russia I think) and staring down the player was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for.

To be fair, the tugging the jersey thing seemed pretty popular with Team Canada guys.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

it is, you're right. Saw it from Strome, N-H, Scheifele and Rattie too.

But Subban was getting on my last nerve with his little shrug of the shoulders after each goal scored against him.....like it was someone else's fault.

I get the metaphor, but it seemed like more to me every time he did it.

 

[Leafaholic99]

Yea that's true, I understand doing it with a big goal or save maybe, but when it's 5-1, it's a little much, probably irked me more because of Subbans attitude before it.

Hopefully Canada can capture bronze and Sweden with old!

 

[Bender]

Yea that's true, I understand doing it with a big goal or save maybe, but when it's 5-1, it's a little much, probably irked me more because of Subbans attitude before it.

Hopefully Canada can capture bronze and Sweden with old!

Attitude is only an issue now that they lost. To me "swagger" is irrelevant, you just need to win.

The only issue is the headshake when a goal was scored, not being a team player. Maybe thats partially why he's yanked for the Bronze game.

 

[skippy]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

 

[Jalili]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

Can't disagree with that, but honestly my gut instinct tells me it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome which one was in net.

 

[skippy]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

Can't disagree with that, but honestly my gut instinct tells me it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome which one was in net.

Probably right, and there's obviously no way of knowing, but I still would think they'd have a better chance with the guy who was playing better.

 

[Bender]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.

You want him to criticize a high school aged player to the national media? What would that establish?

 

[Bender]

Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.

You want him to criticize a high school aged player to the national media? What would that establish?

It belies what happened. He criticized the whole team but the goaltending then yanks him for the bronze game? Its absurd. All he could say is we also needed better goaltending. As far as I know he didn't. If you're going to criticize the effort against the Amerks blame needs to be shared by all, even the goalie.

And that's besides the point. I think its still weird that he would seem confident in Subban after the loss only to turn around and yank him so he doesn't play the final game. He put his chips on the table with this guy instead of a rotation round robin and now Binnington goes in cold. It just smacks me as bad coaching or overconfidence in Subban who had a terrible camp and as many bad gamed as he had good ones.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Binnington gives up a laugher early to the Ruskies.

I wonder if Reilly will see more ice with a dman suspended tonight.