Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
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Phileas Fogg
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I don't like this, it smells like a desperation move when it's not warranted. Zaitsev is overpaid, but he's hardly a liability. He plays some really hard physical minutes, is an above average skater, and won't be as easy to replace as some people think.
If he wants out, fine, but the idea of having to give up any asset whatsoever or take any bad contract back in my book is a mistake. If they can't move him, then let him walk to the khl and wipe his contract that way.
If he wants out, fine, but the idea of having to give up any asset whatsoever or take any bad contract back in my book is a mistake. If they can't move him, then let him walk to the khl and wipe his contract that way.
Kin
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Zee said:
If the deal involves waiting until the 1st so the Leafs can pay Zaitsev's bonus then it may just be tentative in it's extremely literal definition. They have a deal, they've agreed to the parts, they just can't make it official with the league so there could be some last minute change of heart on either side and there'd be no recourse because, again, not an official deal.
I don't know how the league looks at these deals that are delayed for bonus considerations so there's a possibility that they may do it this way so as not to upset the league that's always on the lookout for bigger teams flexing their financial muscle.
Strangelove
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To me, Zaitsev is a a complete liability at any price. So I am down with this. Interested in what happens with Ceci though.
Guilt Trip
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I don't see any desperation in this move. Zaitsev wants out, Leafs want his contract gone, pretty simple. If the asset is giving up Brown, that's not a big deal. He's getting traded for nothing anyway. They need his cap space. If they don't sign Ceci they've gained 6.6 in cap space. I'm sure we'll have the details tomorrow, but as of now, I like the move.Frycer14 said:
It seems pretty universally accepted that Ceci wouldn't get a pay cut if he went through arbitration again, but I'm not so sure that's true. Let's remember last year it was Ceci vs. Ottawa's dumb management team. I'd imagine the Leafs would be able to argue a significantly better case against Ceci earning $4mil+ than they were. Keep in mind all advanced stats on NHL.com are fair game in arbitration hearings.
ZBBM
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Whatever happens I don't really want to see Ceci on our defense this season. Rather than trying to make other crappy teams' crappy cast offs work, bite the bullet and put the Marlie grads out there. Re-sign Hainsey as a 5/6 mentor. Then take your lumps while they learn. Maybe even miss the playoffs. Most of the fix on d is going to have to come internally.
Redleaf
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Missing the playoffs this year would have enormous ramifications and consequences that would ripple through the entire management and coaching staff of this team. Im quite certain they will try and avoid that situation from occurring at all costs.
My guess would be they use the newly found cap space to not only get Marner signed but also Gardiner. Then if they get lucky perhaps they find another D-man on the cheap from the pool of free agents. With that and a combination of some Marlie graduates, the D would be mostly set .
Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott, Gardiner, Lilligren, Sandin, Rosen (Hainsey, Ceci or defender-X)
If that defence doesn?t pan out as planned, option B is employed and a forward is traded for an upgrade on D during the season.
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1145322306299977729
Imagine believing the team with the biggest analytics group in the history of the NHL would consider signing Ceci to this contract.
Imagine believing the team with the biggest analytics group in the history of the NHL would consider signing Ceci to this contract.
Guilt Trip
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Dreger spewing crap again. I dont see Ceci even playing for the Leafs. I think they trade him or walk away from arb. Also think if Brown is involved the Leafs gain 6.6 mill in space and could see them offering Gardiner a contract.CarltonTheBear said:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/6/30/20123859/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-nikita-zaitsev-cody-ceci-connor-brown-i-had-to-read-the-cba-for-this
A good look at the potential options for what the Leafs can do with Ceci. An interesting idea they mentioned is to sign Ceci to a 1-year deal that's mostly signing bonuses and then trying to trade him after that's paid.
A good look at the potential options for what the Leafs can do with Ceci. An interesting idea they mentioned is to sign Ceci to a 1-year deal that's mostly signing bonuses and then trying to trade him after that's paid.
bustaheims
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If Ceci just signs his QO, I?m sure the Leafs can move him if they retain 50%. It would mean less free space than we want, but if it is Zaitsev and Brown, it would essentially be clearing $4.5M minus the cost of the replacement players.
Guilt Trip said:
Why do the Leafs want Zaitsev's contract gone?
It's not that bad a contract.
They will be paying at least that much for a comparable replacement, for example, it looks like they will be paying that much right off the bat for Ceci who will take the QO unless he is a complete idiot.
Sure the Leafs will be out from under in a year but they are screwed for next year and a year from now with the TV rights coming up for renogitiation you can expect the remaining years on Zaitsev's contract will look rather inexpensive at that point in time.
All of this is without any consideration being given to the argument that Zaitsev may have been misused by the Leafs for the last season and a half.
Why are the leafs trying to take a position with a pronounced weakness and trying to make it weaker still? First Marincin, now Ceci.
The notion that we are allegedly adding a "sweetener" after paying a $3M bonus tomorrow make this potential trade even more ridiculous.
WTFU Dubas!!!
