2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

[CarltonTheBear]

Could somebody clear up this Darvish situation for me a little? I understand that all teams can submit a bid and the highest bid gets the right to negotiate a contract with the player.

First question: What happens to this bid? Does the player receive that money regardless of whether or not he signs a contract with that team? How much is a highest bid typically?

Second question: What happens if Darvish doesn't sign with the Jays? Does he have to wait until next season to play in the MLB and try the whole process again?

edit: I guess there's more than two questions there...

 

[maplesyrup]

Could somebody clear up this Darvish situation for me a little? I understand that all teams can submit a bid and the highest bid gets the right to negotiate a contract with the player.

First question: What happens to this bid? Does the player receive that money regardless of whether or not he signs a contract with that team? How much is a highest bid typically?

Second question: What happens if Darvish doesn't sign with the Jays? Does he have to wait until next season to play in the MLB and try the whole process again?

1. The team receives the money, not the player. The high bid number is typically how much a team thinks it'll take to outbid another bidding team(s) It could be any number really. 2 mil - 50+ mil.

2. If Darvish does not sign with the player who bid foe him, he must remain in Japan.... The duration? I'm not sure... I assume a full year but I'm afraid I don't know. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Could somebody clear up this Darvish situation for me a little? I understand that all teams can submit a bid and the highest bid gets the right to negotiate a contract with the player.

First question: What happens to this bid? Does the player receive that money regardless of whether or not he signs a contract with that team? How much is a highest bid typically?

Second question: What happens if Darvish doesn't sign with the Jays? Does he have to wait until next season to play in the MLB and try the whole process again?

1. The team receives the money, not the player. The high bid number is typically how much a team thinks it'll take to outbid another bidding team(s) It could be any number really. 2 mil - 50+ mil.

2. If Darvish does not sign with the player who bid foe him, he must remain in Japan.... The duration? I'm not sure... I assume a full year but I'm afraid I don't know. 

Gotcha. One other thing actually, can the Jays trade his rights if they realize they can't sign him? I'm assuming not.

 

[maplesyrup]

Could somebody clear up this Darvish situation for me a little? I understand that all teams can submit a bid and the highest bid gets the right to negotiate a contract with the player.

First question: What happens to this bid? Does the player receive that money regardless of whether or not he signs a contract with that team? How much is a highest bid typically?

Second question: What happens if Darvish doesn't sign with the Jays? Does he have to wait until next season to play in the MLB and try the whole process again?

1. The team receives the money, not the player. The high bid number is typically how much a team thinks it'll take to outbid another bidding team(s) It could be any number really. 2 mil - 50+ mil.

2. If Darvish does not sign with the player who bid foe him, he must remain in Japan.... The duration? I'm not sure... I assume a full year but I'm afraid I don't know. 

Gotcha. One other thing actually, can the Jays trade his rights if they realize they can't sign him? I'm assuming not.

I believe they can. I think the Giants (or was it the Padres) won the bid for Hideki Irabu but he wanted to be a Yankee and forced a trade... I might have the story wrong... I'll need to check that.

Edit: Yeah... That seems to be the case.

 

[Zee]

A buddy of mine who follows the Jays way more closely than I just told me it looks like the Rangers might have the inside track on this guy apparently.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I believe they can. I think the Giants (or was it the Padres) won the bid for Hideki Irabu but he wanted to be a Yankee and forced a trade... I might have the story wrong... I'll need to check that.

Edit: Yeah... That seems to be the case.

Ok, thanks.

 

[bustaheims]

Gotcha. One other thing actually, can the Jays trade his rights if they realize they can't sign him? I'm assuming not.

They can't trade the rights, but, they can negotiate a sign-and-trade. As for the rest of your questions, the posting fee goes to the team, and is only paid out if Darvish signs a contract with the winning team. If he doesn't, he can be posted again next winter, or wait until 2013 when he will be a free agent.

 

[maplesyrup]

They can't trade the rights, but, they can negotiate a sign-and-trade.

Ah. Okay... That's what happened with Irabu then.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Regardless of how much the Jays are or aren't in on the Darvish bidding, and how much from a baseball management perspective they should or shouldn't be, I think there's going to be a fan backlash against Anthopoulos if they don't win the bidding, simply because there's presently an expectation that they will.

 

[maplesyrup]

Regardless of how much the Jays are or aren't in on the Darvish bidding, and how much from a baseball management perspective they should or shouldn't be, I think there's going to be a fan backlash against Anthopoulos if they don't win the bidding, simply because there's presently an expectation that they will.

I'll be disappointed but I won't blame AA for trying (assuming he put in a competitive bid.) In fact, I find the fact he's shown Rogers is willing to fork over some dough rather encouraging.

 

[seahawk]

It would be unfair backlash at this point. Its not like the process is an open auction. Teams only get one chance to make their best offer. This is without even knowing if the moneybag teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are interested.

 

[maplesyrup]

My first home (the home my parents brought me to from the hospital) was on Donnamora Cres... Darvish's agent's name? Don Nomura. Wierd... Anyway, here's his twitter if anyone's interested;

https://twitter.com/donnomura

 

[L K]

Regardless of how much the Jays are or aren't in on the Darvish bidding, and how much from a baseball management perspective they should or shouldn't be, I think there's going to be a fan backlash against Anthopoulos if they don't win the bidding, simply because there's presently an expectation that they will.

I'll be disappointed but I won't blame AA for trying (assuming he put in a competitive bid.) In fact, I find the fact he's shown Rogers is willing to fork over some dough rather encouraging.

That and regardless of what they bid, its just another case of them coming up short for high profile guys.  They signed a few good Latin prospects in the summer, but they aren't the guys who the casual fan notices.  What the casual fan hears is "we won't spend money on big name players" and things like the Jays losing out of Aroldis Chapman.  Coming close in a bunch of transactions doesn't mean much if you keep coming up on the losing end.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

It would be unfair backlash at this point. Its not like the process is an open auction. Teams only get one chance to make their best offer. This is without even knowing if the moneybag teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are interested.

I agree it would be an unfair backlash, and Anthopoulos has tried to keep expectations all around to be modest.  I just think it's at the point now where the Jays are assumed by a number of fans to have won the bidding.  If it's revealed they didn't win the bidding, for many anticipatory excitement will turn beyond disappointment to varying degrees of anger, more so than if the NY Post hadn't suggested days ago that the Jays won the bidding.

 

[Kin]

Regardless of how much the Jays are or aren't in on the Darvish bidding, and how much from a baseball management perspective they should or shouldn't be, I think there's going to be a fan backlash against Anthopoulos if they don't win the bidding, simply because there's presently an expectation that they will.

If there is static directed AA's way after a losing bid I have to assume that it will be more a result of the off-season as a whole than the specifics of the Darvish process. Barring something entirely unforeseen not landing Darvish will mean the team didn't upgrade their pitching significantly in the off-season. That will be a tough pill to swallow for anyone who hoped the Jays would be competitive next year.

 

[maplesyrup]

One way or another, a starter and a left-handed reliever are a must.

 

[Kin]

It would be unfair backlash at this point. Its not like the process is an open auction. Teams only get one chance to make their best offer. This is without even knowing if the moneybag teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are interested.

I may be wrong about this but there won't be an official announcement on any bid other than the winning one. So there won't really be a way to know if the Jays were serious about signing Darvish unless they win the bid.

 

[maplesyrup]

It would be unfair backlash at this point. Its not like the process is an open auction. Teams only get one chance to make their best offer. This is without even knowing if the moneybag teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are interested.

I may be wrong about this but there won't be an official announcement on any bid other than the winning one. So there won't really be a way to know if the Jays were serious about signing Darvish unless they win the bid.

No. You're correct... If we lose out, we'll likely never know by how much.

 

[bustaheims]

Looks like Yu will be a Ranger if he comes over.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Lame.