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2013 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Potvin29 said:
What are Happ's poor stats?  Not so up on baseball stats, unless we're talking traditional ones.

Well, he's got lousy traditional stats over the last two years but also his bWAR over that stretch is -1.3 so he's been worse than replacement according to BR. He grades out a little better at fangraphs, although I like their advanced pitching numbers a little less on that front, but he's still got a bad walk rate and WHIP.
 
TML fan said:
I'm not an expert, but his release point looks off, which could be the result of changing his arm angle, which conceivably he could have done as a result of his injury.

For what it's worth, AA didn't seem to be saying that this is a decision based on a mechanical issue. He said that Romero wasn't "sharp" enough.
 
Nik said:
TML fan said:
I'm not an expert, but his release point looks off, which could be the result of changing his arm angle, which conceivably he could have done as a result of his injury.

For what it's worth, AA didn't seem to be saying that this is a decision based on a mechanical issue. He said that Romero wasn't "sharp" enough.

He mentioned mechanics several times. He also mentioned that Happ had no bearing on the decision.

http://gregorchisholm.mlblogs.com/
 
Nik said:
So the answer is the guy who's been flat-out terrible the last two years pitching in an easy division in an easier league?

Wait, what does Mark Buerhle have to do with this conversation?
 
Andy007 said:
Nik said:
So the answer is the guy who's been flat-out terrible the last two years pitching in an easy division in an easier league?

Wait, what does Mark Buerhle have to do with this conversation?

Using the bWar Nik mentioned, Buerhle's has been 6.7 over the past two seasons.
 
Potvin29 said:
Andy007 said:
Nik said:
So the answer is the guy who's been flat-out terrible the last two years pitching in an easy division in an easier league?

Wait, what does Mark Buerhle have to do with this conversation?

Using the bWar Nik mentioned, Buerhle's has been 6.7 over the past two seasons.

Although it's worth mentioning that where I think fWAR pays too much attention to FIP numbers, bWAR probably gives a touch too much credit to simply throwing innings. He's a 5.7 over those two years according to fangraphs and I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle between the two.
 
Jon Paul Morosi picked the nationals over the jays for the world series.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/season-predictions-morosi-washington-nationals-st-louis-cardinals-toronto-blue-jays-los-angeles-angels-032813

 
Potvin29 said:
Andy007 said:
Nik said:
So the answer is the guy who's been flat-out terrible the last two years pitching in an easy division in an easier league?

Wait, what does Mark Buerhle have to do with this conversation?

Using the bWar Nik mentioned, Buerhle's has been 6.7 over the past two seasons.

Well if you want to go by WHIP and quality of opponents/division then you can also argue that Buehrle will get killed in the East.
 
Andy007 said:
Well if you want to go by WHIP and quality of opponents/division then you can also argue that Buehrle will get killed in the East.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. A lot has been made about Buehrle's bad numbers against the Yankees and Red Sox but that's coincided with a time where those were two of the better teams in baseball. He has a split between his record against +.500 teams and those below but it's not a remarkable one. Roy Halladay's, for instance, is about the same and I think it's pretty common.

And I don't know what you mean about his WHIP. It's not terrible or anything. It follows the pattern of who he's been good about but it's around what you'd expect for a pitcher of his quality.
 
Nik said:
Andy007 said:
Well if you want to go by WHIP and quality of opponents/division then you can also argue that Buehrle will get killed in the East.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. A lot has been made about Buehrle's bad numbers against the Yankees and Red Sox but that's coincided with a time where those were two of the better teams in baseball. He has a split between his record against +.500 teams and those below but it's not a remarkable one. Roy Halladay's, for instance, is about the same and I think it's pretty common.

And I don't know what you mean about his WHIP. It's not terrible or anything. It follows the pattern of who he's been good about but it's around what you'd expect for a pitcher of his quality.

That was in regards to your comments about Happ's WHIP and about him playing in an easier league. Just pointing out that Buerhle's hasn't been much better (other than last year, but that was in Miami where Josh Towers would look like Josh Johnson circa 2010).
 
Andy007 said:
That was in regards to your comments about Happ's WHIP and about him playing in an easier league. Just pointing out that Buerhle's hasn't been much better (other than last year, but that was in Miami where Josh Towers would look like Josh Johnson circa 2010).

Happ's career WHIP as a starter is 1.39. Buehrle's is 1.27. That's a pretty big difference. That's a greater difference, for instance, than the gap between Buehrle and guys like Roy Halladay and Justin Verlander.
 

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