WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Britishbulldog said:
MacTavish said there is less than zero chance they trade the pick. Flat out said there is not an offer any team could make.
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MacTavish said there is less than zero chance they trade the pick. Flat out said there is not an offer any team could make.
Being a long long time Leaf fan I knew we weren't winning the lottery so I have been hoping and wishing for Strome. So naturally it appears that isn't happening either.
I know we need everything but I would really like a big strong #1 center.
I just don't know why I bother.
I know we need everything but I would really like a big strong #1 center.
I just don't know why I bother.
Kin
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Think of it this way. I think that short of five or so superstars in the game, and that might be generous, the McDavid pick might be the single most valuable asset in the game today. They could probably ask for any player, any combination of picks and prospects from another team and get it. They're not going to trade it for a bunch of guys the Leafs don't really want to keep around.
The Leafs could offer the fourth, Nashville's pick, Nylander, Rielly and a bunch of future first rounders and it wouldn't be enough.
The Leafs could offer the fourth, Nashville's pick, Nylander, Rielly and a bunch of future first rounders and it wouldn't be enough.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
Basically. And, really, as good as McDavid is likely going to be, there isn't a trade that the Oilers would accept that would end up with the Leafs coming out ahead. They'd end up with the best piece, but with a lot more holes on the roster and the rest of the organization. There is no trade scenario to get the 1st overall pick that works for the Leafs. It's not even worth speculating about.
bustaheims said:
There isn't a trade that the Oilers would accept. Period.
There is just too much downside and not enough upside to trading McDavid.
No matter who Edmonton may be offered, there is little chance that those players would propel the Oilers to a Cup final let alone a Cup.
McDavid, on the other hand can do that, not alone but given the cast of high picks the Oilers have from their time in the wilderness, there is a better chance, maybe not next year or the year after but in 3 years or so. McDavid gives the fan base hope and he fits in with the Edmonton plan to date, finish low, draft high. Although that has not paid dividends, it now will.
It makes no sense to throw away the last 5 years of losing on a quicker fix to making the playoffs - if nothing else Brian Burke's time in Toronto established that and that the "draft schmaft" philosophy of team building is fatally flawed.
To trade the McDavid pick would be suicidal for the GM who did it. He would be hounded out of hockey, not just Edmonton. If McDavid should turn out to be less than expected, there is pliantly of time to make the trade later; after all there is a period of time between when a prospect becomes a suspect in the eyes of every other GM.
I will be quite pleased with Strome if we get him; Hanifin I know less about and since he plays a shortened season in a league that seems to be less than the OHL, I feel more comfortable with Strome. Then too, the fact is that we desperately need a quality centre above all else.
What I really want is to try and get another first and a second round pick this year. We should have the trade chips to do that if we take back some big dollar contracts which is no harm since we are going nowhere in 2015-16 anyway.
Britishbulldog
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bustaheims said:
Exactly. With the Lindros trade, the Flyers got Lindros and Quebec got the foundation to build a team to win the ultimate prize in hockey.
The trade to get a superstar crippled the team and that was in a non-cap system.
The Lindros trade obviously only happened too because he wanted out. I would think that if the Nordiques had the choice they still probably would have kept Eric.
KW Sluggo said:
If I were the Oilers, I would try to time my peak at year 3 of McDavid's contract. This is when they will get maximal value for him. He'll be on a rookie contract still but playing like an all-star, if the projections are right. This means they need to trade for a top veteren defenseman, IMHO. Phaneuf is a good fit for them, I think, if they can shed some salary back to us.
Damien Cox's mock draft: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/damien-coxs-2015-nhl-mock-draft/
Has Hanifin going 3rd, and Strome 4th to the Leafs. He notes that if Arizona doesn't take Hanifin at 3 the Leafs will.
With Nashville's pick (ranked 25 pre-playoffs), he has the Leafs taking Nick Merkley. A lot of people have him going in the teens. So that would be a pretty good pick, although it requires him to drop a bit. He has Svechnikov and Sprong going 19th and 24th respectively.
Has Hanifin going 3rd, and Strome 4th to the Leafs. He notes that if Arizona doesn't take Hanifin at 3 the Leafs will.
With Nashville's pick (ranked 25 pre-playoffs), he has the Leafs taking Nick Merkley. A lot of people have him going in the teens. So that would be a pretty good pick, although it requires him to drop a bit. He has Svechnikov and Sprong going 19th and 24th respectively.
I also know less about Hanafin. I hear he is highly rated but defensemen are vastly less predictable (eg: Schenn, Bogosian vs Pietrangelo) than forwards, especially centers. Centers with top OHL stats are the most predictable quantity. So I really know very little but Strome and Marner seem like very reliable choices. I'd prefer Strome if he is a center and Marner isn't destined for center. I'm not sure that wingers (eg: Clark, Nash, or Ovechkin even) can make as big an impact.
hockeyfan1
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Since the Leafs need centres, it'd be fine if they chose Strome. Then of course, any one of Strome Marker, or Hanifin would be okay.
Somehow though, it may well come down to either Strome or Marker. The Coyotes chances are high they'll take Hanifin.
Somehow though, it may well come down to either Strome or Marker. The Coyotes chances are high they'll take Hanifin.
Heroic Shrimp
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Nik the Trik said:
Even a Magic Marker?
Britishbulldog
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moon111 said:
That's a good point. Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Draisaitl, McDavid can't all make $6 MIL +.
mr grieves
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Yeah, I like that at least some Oiler fans are aware of how getting McDavid might relieve management of having to construct an actual team, delay the necessary front-office purge.
link: http://www.coppernblue.com/2015/4/19/8453191/lets-be-honest-mcdavid-to-edmonton-is-not-a-good-thing?utm_campaign=coppernblue&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Of course, the Leafs seem to be getting competent, so it would've been nice to have a generational talent to intelligently build around.
Nik the Trik said:
It's just a general impression. I don't have any particular stats on hand that back that up. It's really more that winning the stanley cup when your top player is a center or defensemen seems more common than when the top player is a winger. That's not based on any particular measurement but Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Keith (not to ignore Kane completely), Datsyuk/Lidstrom, Kopitar/Doughty come to mind when I think of recent winners.
I do believe I have seen some stats that suggest that top-end forwards are more reliable 1st round picks than defensmen, but I don't have them at my finger tips.
I think I'd worry more about the expected or maybe maximal upside as opposed to the bust rate though.
But of course the experts should have way, way more info on each of these players than I do. I have almost zero.
LuncheonMeat
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My preference is Strome, but like some here I don't know that much about Hanafin. What are the chances that, five years from now Strome turns out to be a better player than McDavid? Any? And who is a comparable for Hanfin?
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