2017-2018 NHL Thread

[Kin]

Hockey has principles now.

https://www.nhl.com/info/nhl-declaration-of-principles

Interestingly enough "Sometimes, if your team needs a boost, you should agree to a fistfight with a guy on the other team" isn't one of them.

 

[herman]

Hockey has principles now.

https://www.nhl.com/info/nhl-declaration-of-principles

Interestingly enough "Sometimes, if your team needs a boost, you should agree to a fistfight with a guy on the other team" isn't one of them.

And now to represent our inclusivity, focus on character, and family values, NHL superstar representative of what we truly value, Patrick Kane, will lead us in a song written for this momentous occasion.

 

[Frank E]

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-projected-top-300-scorers-1.848975

Not sure what the model looks like in terms of how he comes up with this.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-projected-top-300-scorers-1.848975

Not sure what the model looks like in terms of how he comes up with this.

Connor Brown: 18 goals

Uh oh

 

[CarltonTheBear]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-rule-adds-pressure-nhl-coaches-asking-offside-challenge/

The NHL is making a very interesting rule change for the 2017-18 season, introducing a harsher penalty for one particular video review.

From now on, a failed offside challenge will result in a two-minute penalty against the club asking for the review. It?s a potentially powerful infraction. Can you imagine a team in a tight game giving up a goal it thought was offside, losing the challenge, then having to withstand an immediate power-play opportunity? It?s going to make bench bosses much more wary ? and ratchet up the pressure on video coaches.

Incorrect goaltender interference reviews stay the same ? the loss of your timeout. That?s probably a wise decision, since there?s much more grey area than with an offside call.

Let's fix offside reviews by completely ignoring the random nature of how they're decided and instead harshly punish teams that lose a coin-flip.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/905546404633903104

This one was talked about a lot during the playoffs. It'll be interesting of course how committed they actually are to it.

 

[Frank E]

https://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/905546404633903104

This one was talked about a lot during the playoffs. It'll be interesting of course how committed they actually are to it.

It's called slashing.  There's a penalty specifically made for it.  I don't know why they let it slide as far as it did. 

 

[bustaheims]

Let's fix offside reviews by completely ignoring the random nature of how they're decided and instead harshly punish teams that lose a coin-flip.

I guess the idea is to get away from teams challenging the plays that are basically coin flips - which, I'm all for. Offsides has generally been one of the few rules that is called pretty consistently, and most of those that are wrong are so close you can't really blame the linesmen for. Icing, on the other hand . . . still seems to be no real logic between why some get waved off and some don't

 

[pnjunction]

Finally. Stick on arms/hands/body is probably my biggest gripe with the game, really disappointed at how they let that creep back in after the lockout. It should hooking/slashing every time.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I guess the idea is to get away from teams challenging the plays that are basically coin flips - which, I'm all for. Offsides has generally been one of the few rules that is called pretty consistently, and most of those that are wrong are so close you can't really blame the linesmen for. Icing, on the other hand . . . still seems to be no real logic between why some get waved off and some don't

I think that it'll cut down on the ones where a coach is basically just tossing a hail Mary or essentially using it as a timeout, but the ones that are coin flips are still going to get called. A coach is going to take a 50/50 shot at overturning a goal vs. a 2 minute penalty any day. Most of them have an 80% chance of killing off that penalty.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It's called slashing.  There's a penalty specifically made for it.  I don't know why they let it slide as far as it did. 

Yeah, it got bad. I've posted this a few times but this video of Gaudreau getting slashed in the hands 21 times in one game without a single one being penalized is nuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu0cI1B_0MY

 

[Kin]

https://twitter.com/jaygeemsg/status/905546404633903104

This one was talked about a lot during the playoffs. It'll be interesting of course how committed they actually are to it.

It's called slashing.  There's a penalty specifically made for it.  I don't know why they let it slide as far as it did.

I hate sounding like a broken record on this one but the reason they "let it slide" is because they had a couple years where they "cracked down on it" by means of calling the penalties when they occurred and fans cried non-stop about how too many penalties were ruining the flow of the game.

The perfect balance of penalties that fans want called actually, from the outside, seems kind of tricky to figure out.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/905782270925078528

Who else laughed out loud at this?

edit: Oh god, the article also mentions how Chris Pronger's old job at the Department of Player Safety is basically Shane Doan's if he wants it. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already reached out to Jake Dotchin about a job for when he decides to retire.

edit2: The first comment on that Friedman tweet brought up a really good point. It asked if the NHL has ever approached someone like Marc Savard or Paul Kariya about a position in DOPS. There's probably hundreds of former NHLers that would be interested in that type of gig. Why are they continually focusing on goons and cheap shot artists? Granted Parros has a concussion history of his own, but he's probably dealt out just as many as he's taken if not more.

 

[bustaheims]

I think that it'll cut down on the ones where a coach is basically just tossing a hail Mary or essentially using it as a timeout, but the ones that are coin flips are still going to get called. A coach is going to take a 50/50 shot at overturning a goal vs. a 2 minute penalty any day. Most of them have an 80% chance of killing off that penalty.

I don't know . . . late in a close game, do many coaches take the risk that, instead of being down one, they end up being down 3? I think it'll cut down on a lot of those, too. It won't eliminate them entirely, obviously, but I think it'll stop coaches from challenging plays where they don't feel confident in - at least, earlier in the game. I feel like we'll see a lot less 50/50 challenges in the first two periods.

 

[Coco-puffs]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/905782270925078528

Who else laughed out loud at this?

edit: Oh god, the article also mentions how Chris Pronger's old job at the Department of Player Safety is basically Shane Doan's if he wants it. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already reached out to Jake Dotchin about a job for when he decides to retire.

edit2: The first comment on that Friedman tweet brought up a really good point. It asked if the NHL has ever approached someone like Marc Savard or Paul Kariya about a position in DOPS. There's probably hundreds of former NHLers that would be interested in that type of gig. Why are they continually focusing on goons and cheap shot artists? Granted Parros has a concussion history of his own, but he's probably dealt out just as many as he's taken if not more.

Well, enforcers and "cheap shot artists" as you put it in these positions doesn't seem like the right optics.  However, I think George Parros is actually a good choice:  he's not just a knucklehead  From wikipedia:

While at Princeton, Parros majored in economics and wrote his senior thesis on the West Coast longshoremen's labor dispute. In 2010, he was chosen as the fourth-smartest athlete in sports by the Sporting News.

https://sports.yahoo.com/george-parros-right-leader-nhl-player-safety-145345263.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

 

[bustaheims]

In fairness to Parros, he had a clean record in terms of suspensions and fines. Not that it means a whole lot, but, he generally didn't deliver the cheap/dirty hits. He just punched faces a lot and got punched in the face a lot.

 

[Kin]

It asked if the NHL has ever approached someone like Marc Savard or Paul Kariya about a position in DOPS. There's probably hundreds of former NHLers that would be interested in that type of gig. Why are they continually focusing on goons and cheap shot artists?

I don't think I'd describe Quintal, Shanahan or Pronger as goons or cheapshot artists(maybe Pronger on that last one but even still, he was pretty good aside) but I do think it figures that if there's a line in the game between acceptable violence and unacceptable that you'd want a guy who flirted with that line, and understood it, rather than a guy who steered clear of it all together.

 

[Frank E]

In fairness to Parros, he had a clean record in terms of suspensions and fines. Not that it means a whole lot, but, he generally didn't deliver the cheap/dirty hits. He just punched faces a lot and got punched in the face a lot.

Without looking it up, I remember reading that Parros has a degree in Economics, and is a pretty sharp guy.

 

[Coco-puffs]

It asked if the NHL has ever approached someone like Marc Savard or Paul Kariya about a position in DOPS. There's probably hundreds of former NHLers that would be interested in that type of gig. Why are they continually focusing on goons and cheap shot artists?

I don't think I'd describe Quintal, Shanahan or Pronger as goons or cheapshot artists(maybe Pronger on that last one but even still, he was pretty good aside) but I do think it figures that if there's a line in the game between acceptable violence and unacceptable that you'd want a guy who flirted with that line, and understood it, rather than a guy who steered clear of it all together.

Interestingly, Parros has already said he wants to hire a former player that was not an enforcer/grinder type- someone who is going to give a different perspective.  Can't find the tweet/link where I read it right at the moment though.

 

[Bullfrog]

I don't think I'd describe Quintal, Shanahan or Pronger as goons or cheapshot artists(maybe Pronger on that last one but even still, he was pretty good aside) but I do think it figures that if there's a line in the game between acceptable violence and unacceptable that you'd want a guy who flirted with that line, and understood it, rather than a guy who steered clear of it all together.

I think that last bit is debatable. I suppose I don't entirely see the value in what that person would bring. You'd first have to define what that line is and what makes something acceptable. Not to mention that that line will change as the culture of the game changes. I think you need a forward-thinker, first and foremost. Someone who can steer the game in a safer direction.