AtomicMapleLeaf
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Just noticed that we are the only to not to have a "loser" point.
2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
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AtomicMapleLeaf
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Zee said:
I like the way you think
Guilt Trip
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Horrible trade. Steen and Cola for StempniakFrank E said:
L K said:
Yup. Maurice played him a lot in the top-6 and with Sundin in an offensive role and he put up a decent amount of points. Sundin leaves, Wilson comes in and starts playing Steen in a checking role and he can't produce any points, GM wildly overreacts to a bad 20 games.
Kin
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It was a bad trade but I think it's seriously overwriting certain elements of the past to suggest it was just the result of a bad GM making a decision that the fanbase universally disliked. Steen was 24, turning 25, and had sort of stalled in his development as a top line guy. Stempniak was only a year older and coming off a pretty successful season.
I didn't like the trade at the time, back then I reflexively didn't like anything the Leafs did if it didn't point them towards a full rebuild, but there were a lot of people around here who saw those Leafs as a potential playoff team and liked the move.
I didn't like the trade at the time, back then I reflexively didn't like anything the Leafs did if it didn't point them towards a full rebuild, but there were a lot of people around here who saw those Leafs as a potential playoff team and liked the move.
Kin
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Bullfrog said:
There were a lot of people willing to give Wilson quite a bit of rope to remake the team as he saw fit and with new guys like Grabovski and Kulemin around and Tlusty having success in the AHL I don't think it was seen as a whole sale abandoning of the youth movement. I remember there being a sort of "Well, the Wellwood/Steen/Stajan thing has failed, let's move on" sort of attitude.
Kin
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I know people are probably not that into talking about another contract negotiation but last night they were talking about the Leafs apparently having some optimism that Gardiner could get re-signed. Apparently the thinking is that a fairly small raise but with a fair chunk of upfront money and term might be a more workable solution than previously thought. They also talked about bribing a team to take Marleau as a pretty workable outcome. Given those two things I actually think the Leafs can do next year pretty well.
It would be tight but this roster would work
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Grundstrom-Kadri-Kapanen
Marchment-Gauthier-Brown
Brooks
Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Gardiner-Oz
Holl
Andersen
Fishbulb
A couple of notes:
- I have Marner at 9.5 here, Matthews at 12, Gardiner at 5, Kapanen at 3.5, Johnsson at 2, Oz at 1.5 and Sparks at 900k. I think most of those are pretty reasonable assuming Kapanen and Johnsson are short term deals
- I also have a 82 million cap
- I traded Marleau to San Jose with a 2020 2nd for a 2019 5th.
- The team is right up against it but if the team was looking to save a million here or there I think it would be around this time to start talking about whether we want to pay Connor Brown 2 million to be the 4th line RW.
It would be tight but this roster would work
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Grundstrom-Kadri-Kapanen
Marchment-Gauthier-Brown
Brooks
Rielly-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Gardiner-Oz
Holl
Andersen
Fishbulb
A couple of notes:
- I have Marner at 9.5 here, Matthews at 12, Gardiner at 5, Kapanen at 3.5, Johnsson at 2, Oz at 1.5 and Sparks at 900k. I think most of those are pretty reasonable assuming Kapanen and Johnsson are short term deals
- I also have a 82 million cap
- I traded Marleau to San Jose with a 2020 2nd for a 2019 5th.
- The team is right up against it but if the team was looking to save a million here or there I think it would be around this time to start talking about whether we want to pay Connor Brown 2 million to be the 4th line RW.
Zee
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Nik the Trik said:
Marleau has to be willing to leave though, not sure if he wants to. Also he's very popular with Matthews and Marner, so you don't want to cause some sort of strife in the room. I mean everyone is professional and knows how the cap system works, but if the GM asks Marleau to waive his "in faith negotiated" NMC, he might be pissed off and it could rub off on the younger guys. You don't want a situation where the players feel like no-trades and no-movement clauses aren't worth the paper they're written on. Might be a small thing since they all know the situation but still should be a consideration.
Kin
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Zee said:
This is true. It's why I fake traded him to San Jose. I figured it would soften the blow.
Zee said:
Well, two things. One, I think that once those guys sign gigantic extensions it's time to ask them to put on big boy pants and deal with the realities of the business. They're more than welcome to take 3 million dollar discounts each to make it work with Marleau but if they're asking for market value then the Leafs are well within their rights to ask them to step up and be the leaders on the team.
Secondly, Marleau's going to be 40. I'm pretty sure they're already preparing for him not being around much longer.
Zee said:
If everyone's professional then, no, I don't think it's fair to think Marleau might be offended by just the question. Players know that they might get asked to waive a NTC or NMC, that doesn't invalidate the fact that they have them or lead them to assume that the other side negotiated in bad faith. A NMC isn't a guarantee that a team won't ask you about a trade, it's just security in the knowledge that the player has the final say about any potential trades.
Even then though, worst case scenario where Marleau doesn't agree, you either look to trade Zaitsev or you let Gardiner walk and then after next year you take the Gardiner money and look to add on defense. Either way, the idea that the Leafs are going to be horribly against the wall doesn't play out.