2020-2021 NHL Thread

[OldTimeHockey]

Hopefully Peel is mad enough about being made the scapegoat that he will spill the beans about being instructed to call games this way.

I'd be surprised if there were ever formal instructions to that effect. It feels more like one of those "everyone knows the way to the mess hall" sorts of things.

Yeah, I don't think it's ever been given out in the referees handbook.
I think it's more of a human nature thing to want to even things up than an actual direction by the NHL. It's something they know exist which they've ignored and accepted.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

 

[L K]

Yeah, I suppose that's true but it feels like even within that it amounts to a lot of fans wanting referees to make split second decisions that accounts for the severity of the infraction, the game situation and potentially altering the standard to account for any missed calls earlier in the game.

Oh yeah, that standard is definitely a moving target. There's just a desire for there to be the appearance of one.

I'd settle for the blatant stuff to be called. Stuff like that slash on Rielly's stick that didn't get called in OT.  That's not game management.  It was an illegal play that led directly to a chance to end the game.  The Leafs were fortunate that the play got shut down and they won the game going the other way but that was as obvious of a call as you can get. 

I get that the game is fast.  I also understand that the flow of the game isn't going to be helped by 20 penalties being called a game, but I just wish that the obvious stuff just got called consistently.

I do also wonder if the leagues approach to 50/50 parity has really helped them.  Maybe the league would be better off with McDavid scoring 170 points because penalties are actually called when guys waterski behind him.

 

[Bullfrog]

This is shocking to me, and I've refereed hockey in my 20's.

I've never ever made a make-up call.  Never happened.  Nope.

Your honesty and integrity are to be admired.

 

[Kin]

Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

Maybe not to the same extent but every league has issues with rules being selectively enforced. In the NBA it's pretty well established that shooting fouls are more likely to be called if it's Lebron James or James Harden going to the hoop than it is a bench player. Baseball umps will likewise tend to give veteran pitchers more of the benefit of the doubt with pitches on the corner of the plate.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.

 

[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1374716621978238977

Wow.

I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

I wonder how long AI will take to start making calls or assisting in refereeing games.  Hell tennis, the entire court is wired, the ref in the chair still has a place but surely diminished.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.

Case in point in the NFL of referees flip flopping was seen this year in the playoffs.
VS the Bills, the Chiefs basically got away with murder down the field while defending the pass or while on offense and pushing off of Bills defenders.
VS Tom Brady and the Bucs, the referees decided everything that was let go 2 weeks earlier was now a penalty. The Chiefs had no idea how to react. In fact, if you watch the Chiefs, they got away with it for most of the year....Until the Superbowl and Tom Brady

 

[Bill_Berg]

Genuine question since I don't really watch other leagues enough to know: does this sort of "game management" problem happen in other sports? Do refs try to keep fouls roughly even in basketball? Are infractions ignored in the Super Bowl?

Maybe not to the same extent but every league has issues with rules being selectively enforced. In the NBA it's pretty well established that shooting fouls are more likely to be called if it's Lebron James or James Harden going to the hoop than it is a bench player. Baseball umps will likewise tend to give veteran pitchers more of the benefit of the doubt with pitches on the corner of the plate.

In the NFL, for instance, you'll often hear that the offensive holding rule could basically be called on every play and that it's up to the refs to decide which instances of it are so blatant it has to be called. And then, yeah, some people do say that pass interference can not be called given the circumstances.

There are challenges, but I don't think I've heard of evening-up calls in other sports.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.

 

[herman]

And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.

 

[herman]

Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.

https://twitter.com/1025TheGame/status/1374740234756362251

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.

Just because it irked me how the commentators kept going on about how that would count:

https://thecomeback.com/nhl/goal-disallowed-tim-peel-groin.html

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Interesting tidbit from Matt Duchene here, which is that Peel was talking to Forsberg at the Nashville bench during the incident. I figured he might have been talking privately to the other ref or something. The fact that he was just openly telling the team why they got a crappy penalty sure goes to show how acceptable that is around the league.

https://twitter.com/1025TheGame/status/1374740234756362251

So it's not even like a "Peel got caught" type moment anymore. This was his official justification to the Predators team.

 

[Highlander]

And he was planning to retire last year, but agreed to ref this season after the league asked him to.

With the hazards of travelling during a pandemic (on top of the usual NHL hazards)... why couldn't this have been Graham Skilliter instead?

https://twitter.com/PeteJolicoeur/status/1374725199438999556
I forgot this happened. I will never make that mistake again.

Reminds me of that line in Caddy Shack where Dangerfield yells "Fore" and the ball hits the Judge in the nuts and then Rodney said I should have yelled "two".

 

[Guilt Trip]

I've always though they should call the penalties as they are written in the rule book. Doesn't matter the time of game or the importance. I never understood why they allow teams to break the rules especially in the playoffs and penalize talent.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1374772259815034886

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

 

[Kin]

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Yeah, like, the face-off thing is all about the idea that you shouldn't be able to cheat to gain an advantage on a face-off. Why would that be less important in the closing seconds of a tight game?

And ditto the thing about the putting the puck over the glass. I understand why it's frustrating when midway through the second a defenseman accidentally puts it over the glass but the whole point of the rule is so defensemen can't just clear it high off the glass all the time in crunch time. I'd rather have the occasional ticky tack call then the last minute of a one goal game just be defensemen getting out their pitching wedge and firing it up whenever they can.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1374772259815034886

Yes?

I mean if the argument is players don't want these ticky-tacky penalties like faceoff violations or puck over the glass calls to be penalties in the final minutes, then they aren't severe enough infractions to be 2 minutes penalties at all.

Instead of a penalty on a faceoff violation they should let the team that didn't cause the violation to choose the opposing player that has to take the draw,  would be funny to see a defenceman line up and take a draw. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1374796540758388738

lol

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I bet officiating is going to get really interesting over the next couple of weeks.

Should be nice for Connor McDavid and the Leafs

Eyeballs the two Boston serieses and poor Nazem Kadri

Wait, did you just say.... "serieses"...?

I absolutely did on purpose

Okay, I figured, but I kind of can't figure out why.