2020 NHL Draft

[Bender]

There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...

Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.

Yeah I mean is that really terrible odds considering where they're picking? What are the odds someone picked there becomes a better player?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Malcolm Subban was also a 1st round pick.  I don't know how many of these guys were considered can't miss like Askarov or even the guys that never had much of a career. It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov

 

[dappleganger]

Malcolm Subban was also a 1st round pick.  I don't know how many of these guys were considered can't miss like Askarov or even the guys that never had much of a career. It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov

I think there's more 1st round pick quality there than not.

 

[Kin]

It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.

So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.

 

[dappleganger]

It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.

So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.

I think that's the idea. How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.

 

[Guilt Trip]

How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.

In the last 20 years? 1 Tyler Biggs. In the last 30 years, 2. Mind you they didn't have a 1st rounder in every year. Luca Cereda was the other although he had a heart defect.

 

[Redleaf]

Trade Nylander for a top 5 draft pick , select the top defender and the top goalie in the draft.  Use the cap space on Pietrangelo.  ;D

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1310565556370636801

Good article on a potential Leafs pick.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If the Leafs keep the pick, I think they're going to get a very good player. Jarvis looks pretty slick.

 

[herman]

Good article on a potential Leafs pick.

Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Good article on a potential Leafs pick.

Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo

He's no Griffith but it will have to do.

 

[herman]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/

"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

 

[Bender]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/

"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

That goes without saying but for whatever reason it makes me feel better that he said that out loud.

 

[L K]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/

"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/

"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.

I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.

 

[Kin]

7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.

I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.
[/quote]

I think the point is that the Leafs have had a chance to have a lot more talent in the system than they do but have dealt multiple 1st and 2nd rounders away over the last few years. That they've recouped some of that with things like the Kapanen deal is good but they could still be in a better situation.

And I think the obvious counterpoint re: Pittsburgh is that having a lousy collection of draft picks is probably more acceptable if you're trying to give your stars a shot at their 4th cup.

 

[herman]

A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well

Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/

Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/

In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell

 

[Guilt Trip]

A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well

Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/

Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/

In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell

It's going to be interesting to see this unfold especially with Arizona losing their draft picks and them dangling everyone on their roster to get them back for this re-build/tool whatever they want to call it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.

 

[herman]

I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.

NJ (who have 3 picks!) or Carolina?

I would normally say BUF, MIN, NSH, EDM as well, but they need long-term scoring talent more than anything