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2021-2022 NHL Thread

Guilt Trip said:
Good read from Pronger...
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682

One of the things that always shocks me, and this is true of all manner of celebrities and not just athletes, is that when they discover that they're having money troubles it's frequently along the lines of "My financial advisor told me I was broke" or "My business manager told me I was spending 5 times what I was bringing in" and I just cannot fathom having such little idea about or control over your own finances that you wouldn't be generally aware of things like that.

Maybe it's just because I've always been the sort of guy who's pretty risk-averse when it comes to investing but the idea of making millions of dollars and handing it over to someone else because you've just gotta get that 11% ROI is just completely foreign to me.
 
Nik said:
Guilt Trip said:
Good read from Pronger...
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682

One of the things that always shocks me, and this is true of all manner of celebrities and not just athletes, is that when they discover that they're having money troubles it's frequently along the lines of "My financial advisor told me I was broke" or "My business manager told me I was spending 5 times what I was bringing in" and I just cannot fathom having such little idea about or control over your own finances that you wouldn't be generally aware of things like that.

Maybe it's just because I've always been the sort of guy who's pretty risk-averse when it comes to investing but the idea of making millions of dollars and handing it over to someone else because you've just gotta get that 11% ROI is just completely foreign to me.
People get sold ideas all the time. I mean we had Donald freaking Trump as president.
 
Bender said:
People get sold ideas all the time. I mean we had Donald freaking Trump as president.

Thing is, I don't think it's just about being sold on a bad idea. I don't think there's anything inherently bad about having someone manage your money. It's the complete detachment from the state of your own personal finances and basically playing roulette with hoping that the person you've put in charge of your finances is half-way decent and trustworthy that seems like such a bad decision to me.

Maybe it's just because I've never had a ton of money to worry about but the idea that you'd be so completely removed from what you've got coming in vs. what's going out but seems just entirely alien to me.
 
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/ducks-captain-ryan-getzlaf-to-retire-after-17-nhl-seasons/
 
Frank E said:
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

Between all of the format changes, one player per team requirement and skipped years, I barely even know how to contextualize that.

Is he a HOFer? No major individual trophies(and just one nom), one second team all-star nod and never led the league in an important category but on the other hand a cup, some gold medals and 1000+ points.
 
Nik said:
Frank E said:
Getzlaf out.

I found it surprising to read that he's only been an NHL all-star 3 times.

Between all of the format changes, one player per team requirement and skipped years, I barely even know how to contextualize that.

Is he a HOFer? No major individual trophies(and just one nom), one second team all-star nod and never led the league in an important category but on the other hand a cup, some gold medals and 1000+ points.

Based off the NHL's criteria of play a long time and be good he is easily in the Hall of Fame.

For the post-lockout generation (2005-present) Getzlaf is 7th in points. 

World Juniors - 1 silver, 1 gold
Olympics - 2 golds
NHL - Stanley Cup, 1000+ points, 120 playoff points

I think he has enough of a resume to get in while being one of those guys who was always really good but never anywhere near the best player in the league.
 
Deebo said:
I think Alfredsson as at least an equal but probably better case than Getzlaf.

*ducks*

That's sort of my point. Guys like Alfredsson or Damphousse or so on kind of show that just being pretty good for a long while doesn't tend to punch a ticket to the HHOF. Even someone like Mogilny, who probably has a better case than any of them to have been an elite player for a while, hasn't made it.

I feel like Getzlaf is probably more in that group.
 
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don?t get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what?s the point of this?
 
If the bar for getting into the HHOF were as high as I'd want I don't think he'd get in. But based on where it actually is I think he does though. Whether he's a first ballot guy would just depend on who else in his class at the time.

I'd lean toward having him in over guys like Alfredsson and Damphousse too. At least with Getzlaf you can point at a season where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league (13/14 when he finished 2nd in points, 2nd in Hart voting, and was also a finalist for the Ted Lindsay). A HOF guy should at least have 1 peak season like that.
 
Joe S. said:
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don?t get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what?s the point of this?

I mean, all of those "Sign a 1 day contract to retire a _____" things are pointless outside of the symbolism so to do it when he "officially" retires doesn't seem inherently less pointless than it ever is.
 
Nik said:
Joe S. said:
https://thehockeynews.com/news/hossa-to-sign-one-day-contract-with-blackhawks-retire

I don?t get it. He last played for the blackhawks. So what?s the point of this?

I mean, all of those "Sign a 1 day contract to retire a _____" things are pointless outside of the symbolism so to do it when he "officially" retires doesn't seem inherently less pointless than it ever is.

It's clearly meaningful to Hossa to officially retire as a member of a team he actually played for. At the end of the day, that's the only point here, and, also, the only impact here.
 
I get it for a player that hasn?t played for that org for a while, like Halladay for example, he last played for the Phillies but wanted to retire as a Blue Jays player, but Hossa last played for Chicago, so what?s the point? I also thought he?d already retired.

But yes, these one day contracts are pointless, but this seems like a new level of pointless.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'd lean toward having him in over guys like Alfredsson and Damphousse too. At least with Getzlaf you can point at a season where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league (13/14 when he finished 2nd in points, 2nd in Hart voting, and was also a finalist for the Ted Lindsay). A HOF guy should at least have 1 peak season like that.

Alfredsson in 05/06 was 5th in Hart voting and had 12 more goals and 16 more points than Getzlaf did in 13/14.

Pretty good peak year, plus 160 more career goals, higher points per game, good playoff numbers, also has Olympic Gold.
 

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