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2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Significantly Insignificant said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
So is this chart good or bad?  Does it not mean that Campbell is playing way above his head and that he might not be able to sustain it?
No, it?s good. Or rather, it?s a reflection of how well he?s played so far this year. The better goalies are going to save way more goals than average or ?expected?, which is what this reflects about how he?s performed so far.
I'm probably arguing semantics here, but if he is making more saves than expected, doesn't that mean one of two things:
1.  He is playing over his head and making saves that he shouldn't.  Wouldn't that point to luck at some point, like PDO?
2.  If expected doesn't point to what is expected of him as a goalie, then would it not point to the Leafs defense being bad, and that he has to make more saves than what is expected?

There's descriptive results and predictive metrics. This one is, as Heroic Shrimp explained very well, the descriptive result, a couple steps more complex than a W-L record or Sv%. A high GSAx correlates strongly to Sv% and Ws though.

If you want a predictive measure, you'd have to compare this to his historical GSAx, but it will be a high variance estimate given his rather small sample playing on this team. Vasilevskiy is often near the top of these charts, for example. If his current year numbers are out of whack with his past performance, there's a significant element of luck involved (or playing through injury, etc.).

Goalie evaluation requires a good deal more input to develop a foundation of context to anchor results reliably. Public models will struggle with this because there just isn't enough data available in the NHL scoresheets for things like rebound control, screened shots, tipped shots, rush chances, and how all of those figures are skewed by the team playing in front of the goalie.

The term Expected here refers to an NHL average shooter vs NHL average goaltender (sampling all the shots from that spot in previous data and seeing how often it went in).
 
L K said:
I'm going to wager that it gets declined.

Bettman will uphold it because he doesn't want to step on DOPS' toes, and then in 2-3 weeks an independent arbitrator will retroactively reduce it by 2 games.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
I'm going to wager that it gets declined.

Bettman will uphold it because he doesn't want to step on DOPS' toes, and then in 2-3 weeks an independent arbitrator will retroactively reduce it by 2 games.

Get Spezza back his $24
 
Mike McKenna: ?We?re going to take a look at Jack Campbell next. This is a goaltender who?s playing lights out. I think that this guy is absolutely a Vezina candidate this season. He?s been carrying the Maple Leafs, who have been looser defensively than people realize.

They can score like crazy, but you look at Campbell?s numbers, his traditional numbers are fantastic (.937 save percentage), but his goals saved above expected and all of his advanced metrics are in the top three in the league.

Yet, he wasn?t on Team USA?s long list for the Olympics when it was turned into the International Olympic Committee back on October 15. What?s going on here??

Wow.
 
L K said:
Mike McKenna: ?We?re going to take a look at Jack Campbell next. This is a goaltender who?s playing lights out. I think that this guy is absolutely a Vezina candidate this season. He?s been carrying the Maple Leafs, who have been looser defensively than people realize.

They can score like crazy, but you look at Campbell?s numbers, his traditional numbers are fantastic (.937 save percentage), but his goals saved above expected and all of his advanced metrics are in the top three in the league.

Yet, he wasn?t on Team USA?s long list for the Olympics when it was turned into the International Olympic Committee back on October 15. What?s going on here??

Wow.
Love Jack and he's playing great but let's not get carried away...he isn't carrying the team.
So has Vas carried TBay for the last 2 years?
 
I guess it's not really that surprising that he wouldn't have been on their "long list" since it was put together right as this season started. They're almost guaranteed to go with at least 2 of their 3 veteran guys (Hellebuyck, Quick, and Gibson) and if one of them fall out then the 3rd spot would go to a more "goalie of the future" type player like Demko, Nedeljkovic, Oettinger, or maybe even Knight. Although the funny thing is Campbell would pretty much be the perfect #3 goalie who joins the team but doesn't play a single game considering his whole "greatest teammate in the world" thing he's got going on.
 
I'm glad they're not picking Campbell, we're already worried about him handling the workload, don't need Olympic games on top of that to make him even more fatigued.  Not to mention just traveling all that way, time zone effects etc. I'm happy if they just cancel the damn thing and no NHL players go.
 
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