ZBBM
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If they walk away from Marner they at the very least need to tell Rielly it's time to move on. He isn't delivering value on his contract and they need a younger version of him (or two) anyway.
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It sounded like Treliving did recognize the need to bring in another puck moving d-man. It's tough when Rielly doesn't excel in either offense or defense and lost a step from last year and is no longer able to QB a PP unit...If they walk away from Marner they at the very least need to tell Rielly it's time to move on. He isn't delivering value on his contract and they need a younger version of him (or two) anyway.
I agree. I've said it a million times that this team wouldn't win anything with the core they have for some of the above. No grit whatsoever in any of them. Watching Nylander shy away from contact made me cringe every time I would see that. Management has finally seen enough I think but things need to change with whoever remains or yes they can be shown the door as well. Unfortunately as repeated many times I don't think that will change. It's something I think you have or don't have not something you acquire.herman — and I'm not trying to be an a-hole to you on this — you are eager to get rid of Marner. I don't agree, but whatever. Treliving talked about changing the DNA. My question to you is: Is part of that getting William Nylander to actually (1) play defense and (2) go to the net and take some punishment to score goals in the playoffs?
It pisses me off that he's getting no flak whatsoever. He disappeared when it counted most just like the rest of them. If he's not willing to change HIS DNA, HIS game, to succeed in the playoffs, he can follow Marner out the damn door.
Beautifully written.Semantics: The most useful of arguments.
All the reporting is that he's not coming back. He spoke about the team in past tense. The only thing left is for him to say "I'm not coming back." At this point it is highly improbable, and so I think the point of debating whether we keep him or not etc. is relatively moot if we're talking about probabilities.
So let me rephrase. It feels pointless to me to argue about Marner and discuss if he should be the one leaving when all the information we have points to Marner very, very likely leaving.
One problem going forward is that Treliving never committed to Marner like he did Matthews & Nylander and he tried to trade Marner.
Perhaps I missed it. What legitimate source has said that the team offered Marner 13M?That trade attempt was apparently after trying to sign him for around $13M per year,which is, where I come from, a pretty convincing gesture of commitment. There were no trust-shaking trade deadline asks about Matthew or Nylander when they were in the last years of their deals because they’d already committed to the team and signed.
There isn't a source. And I won't be surprised if he says see ya. It's funny on social media. I wouldn't stay. South, sun, no tax are my priorities.Perhaps I missed it. What legitimate source has said that the team offered Marner 13M?
And where was the convincing gesture from the team last off season? When the media threw Marner under the bus repeatedly? I'm still trying to figure out why people are so miffed that the guy wants to leave.
They let him get bashed in the media. There was no prompt, heartfelt defense from management.
That trade attempt was apparently after trying to sign him for around $13M per year,which is, where I come from, a pretty convincing gesture of commitment. There were no trust-shaking trade deadline asks about Matthew or Nylander when they were in the last years of their deals because they’d already committed to the team and signed.
The executive's main priority should tell you all you need to know about where the elephant in the room stands, though.
At Treliving's pre-draft availabilities last June, he spoke at length about how critical it was for the organization to lock up all-star forwards Auston Matthews and William Nylander to long-term extensions. (Mission accomplished.)
This time around, Treliving emphasized a much different priority — despite 99-point right wing Mitch Marner sitting in the same contractual position as his peers were a year ago.
"I don't think it's a secret: Our defence is an area we'd like to see if we can improve. Easier said than done," Treliving stated.
"The right side of our defence, we'd like to help it. Now, at what cost?"
The above article was dated June 27th and as of that date, Treliving "has never publicly expressed a desire to re-sign" (Marner). Treliving was very quick to commit to re-signing Matthews & Nylander.Toronto is undoubtedly on the clock with Marner, whom Treliving has never publicly expressed a desire to re-sign.
Whether that clock winds past July 1, when Marner's juicy signing bonus kicks in; or past training camp, when the questions escalate; or past trade deadline, when playoff rosters get set; or Canada Day 2025, when Marner is free to sign anywhere for — what? — $12.5 million a year is anybody's guess.
lol
Edit: let me clarify why this made me laugh. This is a harsher indictment of Marner than anything I’ve ever written here.
You know what will be even funnier? When they lose 102 pt player who wanted to stay for nothing with a scant UFA market. The whole league will be laughing .. at them - particularly the team who gets him for no talent cost. He's good enough to play for Team Canada with McDavid but not good enough to play for the Leafs ... This market is like stressed animals who eat their own young.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not pro-management on this topic. They should’ve traded him earlier and only have themselves to blame for letting themselves be held hostage by this very predictable situation.