AHL to impose new Fighting Rules

[bustaheims]

I guess the NHL itself is absurd then. It certainly made it out to be 'more than that'.

The league tried to squash it, because they knew it was a joke and how it exposed their broken system, and, only after there was bad press on it, did they steer into the skid. At no point did they make it about fighting. They embraced the absurdity, just like the players - including Scott himself - did.

 

[Kin]

No, I'm coming from the position that a TEAM takes all different kinds, to be successful and should be properly prepared for anything the league might throw at them.

Hence Matt Martin, which is a depth signing I'm perfectly okay with, personally speaking.

The subject was the necessity or utility of fighting within the sport, not which signings you were ok with. I'm interested in the former as a general topic provided people want to discuss it honestly, you really couldn't pay me to give a damn about the latter.

 

[Kin]

Here's Greg Wyshinski's column urging people to vote for Scott. The idea that it was to promote fighting within the sport is a complete and total lie.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/john-scott-and-2016-nhl-all-star-game--why-fans-must-make-this-happen-155528278.html

 

[Bates]

I don't think the NHL needs fighting and I think they are doing it the right way.  In a sport where antagonizing is OK and emotions flare in my opinion it would be a big mistake to remove a player from the game for fighting as it could be the star that gets removed some nights.  I don't think anyone is longing for the day of the goon and the staged fight but many are still OK with the emotional scrap that comes from both frustration and adrenaline, and I'm not talking about the now customary fight after a good hit.  That also needs to go the way of the dodo bird. 

 

[TBLeafer]

No, I'm coming from the position that a TEAM takes all different kinds, to be successful and should be properly prepared for anything the league might throw at them.

Hence Matt Martin, which is a depth signing I'm perfectly okay with, personally speaking.

The subject was the necessity or utility of fighting within the sport, not which signings you were ok with. I'm interested in the former as a general topic provided people want to discuss it honestly, you really couldn't pay me to give a damn about the latter.

Actually, alot of eyes around the league are on the Leafs and and what the Leafs do and how the Leafs are building and being viewed as trailblazers now.

That's the general consensus.

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

 

[Kin]

Actually, alot of eyes around the league are on the Leafs and and what the Leafs do and how the Leafs are building and being viewed as trailblazers now.

That's the general consensus.

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

All of that gibberish isn't a counter to the facts that have been presented about leagues that work perfectly fine without fighting and teams that have been very successful without fighting.

 

[TBLeafer]

Actually, alot of eyes around the league are on the Leafs and and what the Leafs do and how the Leafs are building and being viewed as trailblazers now.

That's the general consensus.

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

All of that gibberish isn't a counter to the facts that have been presented about leagues that work perfectly fine without fighting and teams that have been very successful without fighting.

Because those teams' fan bases are so much bigger than the Leafs. So much for gibberish.  :

 

[Kin]

Because those teams' fan bases are so much bigger than the Leafs. So much for gibberish.  :

Who said anything about the size of fan bases? That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. Those teams won Stanley Cups which, ideally, is the goal.

Seriously, you are the most transparently dishonest poster I've ever seen in my years here. You can't just keep making up and refuting arguments nobody has made.

 

[louisstamos]

No, I'm coming from the position that a TEAM takes all different kinds, to be successful and should be properly prepared for anything the league might throw at them.

Hence Matt Martin, which is a depth signing I'm perfectly okay with, personally speaking.

The subject was the necessity or utility of fighting within the sport, not which signings you were ok with. I'm interested in the former as a general topic provided people want to discuss it honestly, you really couldn't pay me to give a damn about the latter.

Actually, alot of eyes around the league are on the Leafs and and what the Leafs do and how the Leafs are building and being viewed as trailblazers now.

That's the general consensus.

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

The bolded is why he was signed.  Rich Clune is a known "fighter" and only got into 1 scrap last year in 19 NHL games with the Leafs.  He's in favor of the new rule - it gets rid of the "goon" and gets guys that can actually play.

On top of which, Olympic hockey is probably the best and most exciting hockey in the world the past couple years.  When was the last time you saw someone drop the gloves in an Olympic tournament?

The game is changing, and what we know about head injuries are changing.  If people are in favor of keeping fighting in the game, they have no right to complain when former enforcers are dying young from CTE related trauma.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

I'd probably reverse that and classify Martin as a guy who can actually play the game and fight a little. 11 fights in 80 games isn't really a lot. He's not a goon in the sense that Orr/McLaren/Rosehill were.

And it's probably a little early to start calling the Leafs organization trailblazers.

 

[TBLeafer]

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

I'd probably reverse that and classify Martin as a guy who can actually play the game and fight a little. 11 fights in 80 games isn't really a lot. He's not a goon in the sense that Orr/McLaren/Rosehill were.

And it's probably a little early to start calling the Leafs organization trailblazers.

Its alot in a league where fights are diminishing.

A few teams had an advanced analytics consultant.  Leafs went and hired a whole department.  Plus a department of player sports science pretty much unheard of in the NHL.  Those are trailblazing moves, no?  The first new age analytics SOO wunderkind as Shanny's first management hire?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

A few teams had an advanced analytics consultant.  Leafs went and hired a whole department.  Plus a department of player sports science pretty much unheard of in the NHL.  Those are trailblazing moves, no?  The first new age analytics SOO wunderkind as Shanny's first management hire?

Like you said, other teams were using analytics and making analytics-based hires before the Leafs were. The fact that Toronto hired 1 or 2 more guys than other teams isn't a trailblazing move. If anything it was likely just them flexing their financial muscle.

And if the Leafs didn't hire Dubas some other team was definitely going to. He was widely considering one of the best up-and-coming minds in hockey. I don't know, you can consider that trailblazing I guess but I think there's a subtle difference between that and just beating other teams to the punch.

 

[TBLeafer]

A few teams had an advanced analytics consultant.  Leafs went and hired a whole department.  Plus a department of player sports science pretty much unheard of in the NHL.  Those are trailblazing moves, no?  The first new age analytics SOO wunderkind as Shanny's first management hire?

Like you said, other teams were using analytics and making analytics-based hires before the Leafs were. The fact that Toronto hired 1 or 2 more guys than other teams isn't a trailblazing move. If anything it was likely just them flexing their financial muscle.

And if the Leafs didn't hire Dubas some other team was definitely going to. He was widely considering one of the best up-and-coming minds in hockey. I don't know, you can consider that trailblazing I guess but I think there's a subtle difference between that and just beating other teams to the punch.

And The Leafs player sports science department?

 

[Kin]

Like you said, other teams were using analytics and making analytics-based hires before the Leafs were. The fact that Toronto hired 1 or 2 more guys than other teams isn't a trailblazing move. If anything it was likely just them flexing their financial muscle.

And if the Leafs didn't hire Dubas some other team was definitely going to. He was widely considering one of the best up-and-coming minds in hockey. I don't know, you can consider that trailblazing I guess but I think there's a subtle difference between that and just beating other teams to the punch.

Hiring a young analytics minded AGM in 2014 was definitely not trailblazing, regardless of how high on Dubas anyone is in particular. If they'd put him in charge, sure, that would have been one thing but the subsequent hiring of Lamoriello is a pretty good sign they weren't exactly bomb throwing anarchists.

Either way, teams aren't going to ignore what the teams actually winning the cup are doing to focus on the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

And The Leafs player sports science department?

It's a fancy title, and one that wasn't used much in the NHL (although was common in other sports leagues) for sure, but I'm pretty sure all teams have medical staffs that do stuff like this:

... oversee all areas of the Maple Leafs, Marlies and prospects as it relates to strength and conditioning, nutrition, injury prevention, injury rehabilitation and all factors pertaining to athlete performance optimization.

But my larger point I meant to make was that the Leafs aren't "trailblazing" until other teams see that their method has created sustained success. And so far it hasn't.

 

[herman]

I don't think your traditional logic is going to work against a random moving target, guys.

 

[TBLeafer]

And The Leafs player sports science department?

It's a fancy title, and one that wasn't used much in the NHL (although was common in other sports leagues) for sure, but I'm pretty sure all teams have medical staffs that do stuff like this:

... oversee all areas of the Maple Leafs, Marlies and prospects as it relates to strength and conditioning, nutrition, injury prevention, injury rehabilitation and all factors pertaining to athlete performance optimization.

But my larger point I meant to make was that the Leafs aren't "trailblazing" until other teams see that their method has created sustained success. And so far it hasn't.

So I guess we're going to have to just go ahead and start winning now. 

 

[Bullfrog]

That trailblazer just signed a guy for 4 years who likes to hit and fight. Plus he can actually play the game a little.

I'd probably reverse that and classify Martin as a guy who can actually play the game and fight a little. 11 fights in 80 games isn't really a lot. He's not a goon in the sense that Orr/McLaren/Rosehill were.

And it's probably a little early to start calling the Leafs organization trailblazers.

I have to say, I find it hilarious how you screwed up this quote and it is now attributed to Nik.

 

[TBLeafer]

I don't think your traditional logic is going to work against a random moving target, guys.

Or you know, discussions just naturally and freely evolve.

Time to get back on track.

The AHL is changing its fighting rules, and Rich Clune likes it


Save you reporters some time. The 10 fight limit and no fighting off the face-off rule is great. Fighting isn't done, just guys who suck are

? Rich Clune (@richclune) July 7, 2016

 

[Kin]

I have to say, I find it hilarious how you screwed up this quote and it is now attributed to Nik.

I'm preparing my libel case as we speak.