Armchair GM 2016-2017

[bustaheims]

I'm pretty sure a team can only retain salary on two players and the Leafs are already doing so on Kessel.

Likewise, something to keep in mind is that if the Leafs plan on protecting 4 defensemen(which in that scenario would be Gardiner, Reilly, Zaitsev and Manson) they'll need to expose either Bozak or Komarov in the expansion draft(assuming JVR, Kadri and Kane are guys you'd then protect).

Personally, I don't think the potential benefits of Kane living up to his "potential" come anywhere close to the the downsides of having him around a young/developing club. Especially not if the trade for him involves some of the team's better prospects and depth players.

In addition, Leipsic would have to be protected in the expansion draft, and is not waiver exempt next season.

 

[Kin]

In addition, Leipsic would have to be protected in the expansion draft, and is not waiver exempt next season.

True but in the above scenario we've traded Leipsic to Anaheim already.

Which, and I haven't had time to look at it, probably raises the issue for Anaheim of losing a good player in the expansion draft anyway.

 

[herman]

We can retain salary on three contracts. Kessel leaves us with two slots.

Edit: pls Lou, no Kane. Not even Patrick Kane, tbh.

 

[bustaheims]

In addition, Leipsic would have to be protected in the expansion draft, and is not waiver exempt next season.

True but in the above scenario we've traded Leipsic to Anaheim already.

Which, and I haven't had time to look at it, probably raises the issue for Anaheim of losing a good player in the expansion draft anyway.

Yeah, I meant in terms of him being slightly less appealing to Anaheim than the initial post suggests.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I'm pretty sure a team can only retain salary on two players and the Leafs are already doing so on Kessel.

Likewise, something to keep in mind is that if the Leafs plan on protecting 4 defensemen(which in that scenario would be Gardiner, Reilly, Zaitsev and Manson) they'll need to expose either Bozak or Komarov in the expansion draft(assuming JVR, Kadri and Kane are guys you'd then protect).

Personally, I don't think the potential benefits of Kane living up to his "potential" come anywhere close to the the downsides of having him around a young/developing club. Especially not if the trade for him involves some of the team's better prospects and depth players.

In addition, Leipsic would have to be protected in the expansion draft, and is not waiver exempt next season.

Oh...you are right Busta regarding Leipsic.  He is NOT exempt from the waiver draft.

A team can have the maximum of 3 retained salaries at a time so when Polak becomes a UFA July 1st the Leafs would have a space open again. 

Nik, Zaitsev is draft exempt.  I was thinking he would join Rielly, Gardiner, and Manson being the top 4 next year and leaving Carrick and Stoner exposed with Stoner meeting the criteria as the dman signed for next year if he plays 5 more games this season.

The Leafs might have to get Smith and Froese signed for next season to have 2 eligible forwards.  They also need 12 games each in the NHL this season.  That would leave 7 spots up front.  I would pick Kadri, JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Martin, Brown and E Kane. 

I would expect to lose Carrick, Leivo, or Rychel.

Otherwise if the Leafs and Ducks added JVR and Ritchie then I might protect Leivo as well.

E Kane does seem to be a high risk.  It is just with his speed, hard hitting and scoring touch it would be a great compliment to Brown and Matthews.  Hyman seems to have great character, speed and hitting but he doesn't have the softest hands to finish a lot of plays he is given.

 

[Britishbulldog]

In addition, Leipsic would have to be protected in the expansion draft, and is not waiver exempt next season.

True but in the above scenario we've traded Leipsic to Anaheim already.

Which, and I haven't had time to look at it, probably raises the issue for Anaheim of losing a good player in the expansion draft anyway.

Anaheim is in trouble with the draft with Bieksa having to be protected with his NMC as well as 4 other dmen they want to keep including Vatanen, Fowler, Manson and Lindholm.  At the forward position they have 3 NMCs with Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler with Rackell and Silfverberg still to protect.

They will lose someone they want to keep.

That is why I was wondering about Manson.  Smooth skating, hard nosed RH dman.

 

[Britishbulldog]

32 million is not chump change

It's also not mad money. That's Matthews + Marner + Nylander + Gardiner extension money. Realistically the Leafs will have some of it to use on a key UFA or two but good cap management but that's about it.

Yeah. It sounds like a lot of money, but it gets used up awfully quickly. If you figure an average of $5.5M per on the 4 extensions you reference, that's already $22M gone.

This summer 2017 I was thinking that Zaitsev would get a pay raise from $0.925 to $5 MIL x 6 years and Brown from $0.687 to a $2.5 MIL bridge contract to 2019/20.

The summer of 2018 I figured Nylander would get at most 'Kadri' money $4.5 MIL 3 year bridge contract but wonder if he might get even less.

The summer of 2019 I thought Marner would get $6.5 MIL 3 year bridge contract, Matthews would get $7.5 and Gardiner would get $5 MIL x 7 years taking him to 35 years old.  This is the 1st summer the Leafs would need some real cap room. 

If the cap went up to $79 MIL in 3 years then I created a few place holders.  The Leafs could re-sign JVR until he is 35 years old or a Okposo type UFA to an 'Okposo' type deal of $6 MIL x 7 years, have a LW for Matthews and Brown at $5.25 MIL like E Kane, and add a defensive 4th dman for $3.5. 


2019-20 $75,980,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kane, Evander	Matthews, Auston	Brown, Connor
$5,250,000	$7,500,000	$2,500,000* rfa
28	22	25
Van Riemsdyk, James	Nylander, William	Marner, Mitchell
$6,000,000	$4,500,000	$6,500,000
30	23	22
Komarov, Leo	Kadri, Nazem	Kapanen, Kasperi
$2,950,000	$4,500,000	$3,500,000
32	29	23
Martin, Matt	Gauthier, Frederik	ELC or UFA??
$2,500,000	$1,250,000	$1,500,000
30	24	21
Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan	Zaitsev, Nikita	Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
25	28	30
Gardiner, Jake	Manson, Josh	Bibeau, Antoine
$5,000,000	$3,500,000	$950,000
29	28	25
Nielsen, Andrew	Carrick, Connor
$686,667	$1,500,000
23	25
Dermott, Travis
$894,167
23

 

[Kin]

Evander Kane is going to be Chris Stewart all over again, isn't he?

For serious though, I think you might want to re-evaluate Nylander. Right now he's scoring at a 59/82 pace while getting tossed around the line-up.

For double serious, no Evander Kane. If a guy with those attributes is important, the Leafs should develop one. Or sign one. If the complaints against him in the Nightclub incident are true I would rather the Leafs be a less good hockey team than a better one with him on it.

 

[Highlander]

I will personally cane Lou if he signs Kane

 

[herman]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/1/6/14148860/the-next-nine-months-and-the-leafs-rebuild-matthews-shattenkirk-boyle-kruger-pokka-kulikov

There's a lot in this, some that I agree with and some that I don't, but it's interesting nonetheless.

This part in particular:

Acquiring exposed players for exempt ones
As currently positioned, the Leafs have more forward protection slots than they need, and if you can envision a team that?s likely to have more forwards than it?s able to protect?for example, Anaheim looks positioned to lose Jakob Silfverberg, and Nashville has too many depth forwards?there might be a deal to be made there. The Leafs also have several expansion-exempt wing prospects, headed by Kasperi Kapanen, who could be appealing to a team caught in this kind of position.

As I?ve written elsewhere, the expansion draft exposes defenders more so than forwards, and here the Leafs have a bit more of a bind?acquiring another expansion-available defender would likely force them to expose Connor Carrick, so it would have to be a definitive upgrade. (Brief reminder?the Leafs are likely to be able to protect three defencemen. Jake Gardiner and Morgan Rielly are obvious choices, and Nikita Zaitsev is exempt. If the Leafs get another d-man, they?ll probably want to protect the guy they acquired with their final protection slot, which means they can no longer use it to shield Carrick.)

 

[Britishbulldog]

Evander Kane is going to be Chris Stewart all over again, isn't he?

;D  I am that predictable huh.  Scatchard...Stewart...

You're seeing the dark side of the moon of a really good trait I have.

For serious though, I think you might want to re-evaluate Nylander. Right now he's scoring at a 59/82 pace while getting tossed around the line-up.

Fair enough.  I suspect you are right.  I have been reading the media ripping Nylander for inconsistency, being in Babcock's doghouse, etc which taints my perspective of his stats and the talent I see on the ice. 

For double serious, no Evander Kane. If a guy with those attributes is important, the Leafs should develop one. Or sign one. If the complaints against him in the Nightclub incident are true I would rather the Leafs be a less good hockey team than a better one with him on it.

All joking aside, this is quite serious and had forgotten it when looking at rosters and salaries around the league on various websites.  Point taken and agreed with.

 

[sneakyray]

so if the leafs make the playoffs does babcock win the adams?

 

[Kin]

so if the leafs make the playoffs does babcock win the adams?

I doubt it. It's pretty hard right now to imagine any scenario in which Tortorella doesn't have it sewn up.

Beyond him there's Boudreau and, if we're going to make a deal about a team doing better than expected, there's Desjardins.

 

[sneakyray]

so if the leafs make the playoffs does babcock win the adams?

I doubt it. It's pretty hard right now to imagine any scenario in which Tortorella doesn't have it sewn up.

Beyond him there's Boudreau and, if we're going to make a deal about a team doing better than expected, there's Desjardins.

yeah, I forgot about torts

 

[herman]

http://theleafsnation.com/2017/1/12/if-the-market-for-a-steady-defenceman-is-bad-don-t-play-it

This article was spawned in response to:

Mark Spector: noted critic of the Leafs

Today, when the Toronto Maple Leafs consider trading a winger like James van Riemsdyk for a much-needed defenceman, they won?t be looking at the Subban for Weber deal as a comparable.

The deal that set the bar for the Leafs ? and any other team that is rich in forwards but desperate to shore up an Achilles heel blue-line ? was the Taylor Hall-for-Adam Larsson trade between the New Jersey Devils and Edmonton Oilers.

[...]

If Leafs fans thought Chiarelli got fleeced in the Hall deal, at least one scout we spoke with said Toronto won?t get a player as good as Larsson in return for the older van Riemsdyk, who has a modified no-trade clause and is one season away from becoming an unrestricted free agent.

?There?s no comparison between Hall and JVR,? said the scout, who thinks the Leafs will have to sweeten the pot. ?You?re not trading (Mitch) Marner, so (William) Nylander has got to be the guy. He?s skilled, but how good??

The Leafs are exactly where Edmonton was a year ago: Stocked with young talent up front, but with a blue-line corps that needs at least two quality NHL defencemen. Chiarelli knew he could deal from strength, though even he must have been surprised when he found himself trading a 70-point winger for a 15-point defenceman.

While it is a good article (the one that Jeff wrote), the best part is reading the comments.

 

[herman]

Considering the market, our playstyle, and the assets that we have to deal with, I think we should be targeting an on-the-cusp defenseman from an on-the-cusp team (think Carrick with Washington), probably from the Western Conference, with an already stable-ish top-6.

How does this sound?

To Calgary		To Toronto
Tyler Bozak		Matt Stajan
		Brandon Bollig or whatever cap dump
		Rasmus Andersson

Calgary is a bit thin in the middle and Bozak is going to be a scoring upgrade, pushing either Bennet or Monahan down to the 4th line. Stajan gets to come home (vet presence who has done the Leafs dance) and can anchor the 4th line with skill and class. Bollig is a cap dump they've already buried; this could flex to a higher number (Wideman) if mid-range picks come back our way.

 

[Frank E]

Considering the market, our playstyle, and the assets that we have to deal with, I think we should be targeting an on-the-cusp defenseman from an on-the-cusp team (think Carrick with Washington), probably from the Western Conference, with an already stable-ish top-6.

How does this sound?

To Calgary		To Toronto
Tyler Bozak		Matt Stajan
		Brandon Bollig or whatever cap dump
		Rasmus Andersson

Calgary is a bit thin in the middle and Bozak is going to be a scoring upgrade, pushing either Bennet or Monahan down to the 4th line. Stajan gets to come home (vet presence who has done the Leafs dance) and can anchor the 4th line with skill and class. Bollig is a cap dump they've already buried; this could flex to a higher number (Wideman) if mid-range picks come back our way.

You can do better than that herman, I expect more from you.

 

[herman]

You can do better than that herman, I expect more from you.

Friday, man.

 

[Frank E]

http://www.tsn.ca/landeskog-duchene-could-be-on-the-table-as-avs-rebuild-1.649580

OK boys and girls, anyone think they should try to get Shattenkirk before July 1?

 

[bustaheims]

http://www.tsn.ca/landeskog-duchene-could-be-on-the-table-as-avs-rebuild-1.649580

OK boys and girls, anyone think they should try to get Shattenkirk before July 1?

If, and only if, he comes with an extension already signed.