Armchair GM 2018-2019
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Kin
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Bullfrog said:
Yeah, I'm not sold. Like I said, there's lots of reasons for them to throw fans a bone like that without actually making structural changes and I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to hire him in that capacity without firing Snow. Unless, as herman says, he's effectively in Shanahan's role which amounts to not really running the club on a day to day basis.
"President of hockey operations" can mean different things to different teams. Some teams it's basically the GM. Some teams is an overseerer like Shanny. Some team it's just a glorified "senior adviser" position.
In Lou's case though, I can't imagine he'd take a job like this if it didn't come with full control and where he was essentially the GM as well.
In Lou's case though, I can't imagine he'd take a job like this if it didn't come with full control and where he was essentially the GM as well.
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
I'm trying to recall where I heard/read it, but Shanahan said he was happy for Lou getting what appears to be his job but on the Island. Lou, relative to Shanahan, is not known for being hands off managerially.
In any case, Snow is reportedly very difficult to fire because of his contract stipulations, often described as a 'poison-pill' for the new ownership group. Snow deeply admires and emulates Lamoriello though, so this could be a Sith Lord situation.
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
Which is also what happened when he signed with Toronto after getting punted upstairs in New Jersey.
That being said, the Leafs at the time and the Islanders now have an appetite for the mystique of Lou and whatever that brings to instilling a 'winning culture'.
Nik the Trik said:
We of course really don't have any way of actually knowing this, but I think Lou more or less had about as much control as any other GM around the league would. He had a "boss" above him in Shanny but every GM technically does. I remember when he was first hired some of us were like "it's not as if Dubas' voice will be completely drowned out now", but I mean I think it kinda was (at least in some instances).
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
My read on it, which like you say isn't hard fact or anything, was that Lamoriello was sort of like Quinn or Ferguson in as much as they had a fairly broad latitude to make decisions but within a framework they had very little say in controlling. That may be pretty common, I'm guessing most Owners control the general direction of a club through a President or themselves, but I don't think, for example, Lamoriello could have decided to trade Nylander for a more established scorer.
mr grieves
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herman said:
With the important difference that the Leafs wanted to instill that culture as they rebuilt, while it seems the Islanders are hoping that mystique will make it more likely that they can keep their star player, perhaps draw the supporting cast he needs to think they've got a winning team (Kovalchuk?), and avoid the tear down/ rebuild that Lou oversaw in Toronto. It looks like the Islanders ownership didn't trust that Snow could get this done, so layered over him a President of Hockey Ops who they think can.
So, settling back into the armchair, it'd be fun if Dubas swoops in and signs both Tavares and Kovalchuk. A real Darth Vader striking down Obi Wan scene.
Frank E said:
Gimme gimme gimme:
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Kovalchuk - Tavares - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
Hyman - whatever - Brown
... or just execute Operation No Third Contracts for Non-Core Pieces a year or so early and trade Hyman and Brown, let graduated Marlies and whatever else Dubas finds make up a slightly more skilled fourth line.
I feel like I say this every offseason... but Nino Niederreiter's name is back in trade rumours with Minnesota apparently looking to shake things up. I think he'd be a perfect fit for Matthews on the left side.
They're apparently desperate for a right-shot forward. Of their top-12 scoring forwards this season, only Charlie Coyle shot right and I believe he switches from centre to right wing (that's an absurd stat that I would have never guessed). Could start with a guy like Brown and see how much we need to add to get it done? They also need to cut salary so Brown's pretty appealing in that regard too.
They're apparently desperate for a right-shot forward. Of their top-12 scoring forwards this season, only Charlie Coyle shot right and I believe he switches from centre to right wing (that's an absurd stat that I would have never guessed). Could start with a guy like Brown and see how much we need to add to get it done? They also need to cut salary so Brown's pretty appealing in that regard too.
herman said:
For other teams after we sign Tavares, sure.