Asking price for Tyler Bozak appears to be a second round pick

[moon111]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

 

[rdowdall]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Really, why wouldn't teams wait for July 1 to see if they can get someone of Bozak's ability on a better, shorter contract.  I think if Babcock can whip him into shape, he will be more attractive as the years left on his deal decrease, maybe moreso as a deadline deal.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

And sitting him at home would ensure you never move him.  His contract really isn't too bad, and he's a serviceable player.  It's just not the right time to move him, apparently.

 

[hobarth]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

And sitting him at home would ensure you never move him.  His contract really isn't too bad, and he's a serviceable player.  It's just not the right time to move him, apparently.

I think as I thought when he was signed he is overpaid, I'm certain that other teams feel the same way as does TO. I expect if TO is able to trade him part of his contract will have to be eaten and a 3rd is possible if TO does eat some of the $s.

He isn't a serviceable player at the $s he's being paid and after watching Santo and Winnick I think it's very obvious how little talent he has. Ideally TO would find a way to move him opening a roster spot for TO's youth but unfortunately TO doesn't have any youth to replace him so he might as well stay.

I feel that only Arizona has a worse group of centers than TO, Bozak is a major part of TO's short comings but he is far from alone.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

And sitting him at home would ensure you never move him.  His contract really isn't too bad, and he's a serviceable player.  It's just not the right time to move him, apparently.

I think as I thought when he was signed he is overpaid, I'm certain that other teams feel the same way as does TO. I expect if TO is able to trade him part of his contract will have to be eaten and a 3rd is possible if TO does eat some of the $s.

He isn't a serviceable player at the $s he's being paid and after watching Santo and Winnick I think it's very obvious how little talent he has. Ideally TO would find a way to move him opening a roster spot for TO's youth but unfortunately TO doesn't have any youth to replace him so he might as well stay.

I feel that only Arizona has a worse group of centers than TO, Bozak is a major part of TO's short comings but he is far from alone.

I don't think whether he is serviceable or not has anything to do with his contract.  He's a center who can win draws, and has consistently produced around 20 goals/50 points for 4 seasons now.  And he was actually a pretty good player in 2013/14.  Everybody was terrible last year, so it will be interesting to see what he does under Babcock, assuming he sticks around long enough.

His being overpaid is relative to what the market is paying for a player of his caliber at any given time.  A cap increase next year, and one less year on his deal should help.  I'm not a big Bozak fan, but I don't think he's without talent.  Regardless, he could still fetch a second in the right situation.

 

[Bullfrog]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

The same questions came up with McCabe and there's really no point to it.

With Bozak, there's no reason the team needs to move him, or Kessel, or Phaneuf, or Polak for that matter. The situation the Leafs are in makes it desirable to move them to help with the rebuild, obviously, but it's certainly not required.

Punishing Bozak because the market isn't interested in him doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bullfrog]

Really, why wouldn't teams wait for July 1 to see if they can get someone of Bozak's ability on a better, shorter contract.  I think if Babcock can whip him into shape, he will be more attractive as the years left on his deal decrease, maybe moreso as a deadline deal.

I suspect the first sentence has a lot to do with it as well.

I don't think the 2nd is realistic. I think a lot of people are overstating the impact Babcock will have on an individual player's game, particularly someone like Bozak whose results are already quite inflated due to playing with an all-star winger.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Really, why wouldn't teams wait for July 1 to see if they can get someone of Bozak's ability on a better, shorter contract.  I think if Babcock can whip him into shape, he will be more attractive as the years left on his deal decrease, maybe moreso as a deadline deal.

I suspect the first sentence has a lot to do with it as well.

I don't think the 2nd is realistic. I think a lot of people are overstating the impact Babcock will have on an individual player's game, particularly someone like Bozak whose results are already quite inflated due to playing with an all-star winger.

I wonder what Bozak's game will look like playing 2C, away from Kessel, and with some better coaching.  He won't generate as many points, but he might be a better player in that scenario.

 

[wnc096]

Really, why wouldn't teams wait for July 1 to see if they can get someone of Bozak's ability on a better, shorter contract.  I think if Babcock can whip him into shape, he will be more attractive as the years left on his deal decrease, maybe moreso as a deadline deal.

I suspect the first sentence has a lot to do with it as well.

I don't think the 2nd is realistic. I think a lot of people are overstating the impact Babcock will have on an individual player's game, particularly someone like Bozak whose results are already quite inflated due to playing with an all-star winger.

I wonder what Bozak's game will look like playing 2C, away from Kessel, and with some better coaching.  He won't generate as many points, but he might be a better player in that scenario.

Bozak is basically Sam Gagner...with more term (not a good thing) slightly better offensively and probably one of the worst defensive players I've seen last year.

Gagner was traded for along with picks for a dead contract (Pronger) and a player that the Flyers would have given away for free (grossman)

Leafs will have to sweeten any deal with picks or prospects to move him....or take an equally bad player/contract back.  Not sure  its worth it...

 

[rdowdall]

Really, why wouldn't teams wait for July 1 to see if they can get someone of Bozak's ability on a better, shorter contract.  I think if Babcock can whip him into shape, he will be more attractive as the years left on his deal decrease, maybe moreso as a deadline deal.

I suspect the first sentence has a lot to do with it as well.

I don't think the 2nd is realistic. I think a lot of people are overstating the impact Babcock will have on an individual player's game, particularly someone like Bozak whose results are already quite inflated due to playing with an all-star winger.

I wonder what Bozak's game will look like playing 2C, away from Kessel, and with some better coaching.  He won't generate as many points, but he might be a better player in that scenario.

Bozak is basically Sam Gagner...with more term (not a good thing) slightly better offensively and probably one of the worst defensive players I've seen last year.

Gagner was traded for along with picks for a dead contract (Pronger) and a player that the Flyers would have given away for free (grossman)

Leafs will have to sweeten any deal with picks or prospects to move him....or take an equally bad player/contract back.  Not sure  its worth it...

If that's the case then I think the Leafs will buyout both Bozak and Lupul.  4 to 6 years of paying the buyout fee is the same as taking on a bad contract.  If they can't play, they can't play.

 

[moon111]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

The same questions came up with McCabe and there's really no point to it.

With Bozak, there's no reason the team needs to move him, or Kessel, or Phaneuf, or Polak for that matter. The situation the Leafs are in makes it desirable to move them to help with the rebuild, obviously, but it's certainly not required.

Punishing Bozak because the market isn't interested in him doesn't make any sense.

What if the Leafs have decided to remove all 'poison' from the team?  What if they're willing to play Zack Sill as the #1 center over having someone who (for whatever reason) has alienated Babcock before he's even gotten here?  eg. someone I know stated an ex-Leaf would rather snort cocaine over train, use steroids to be in shape for camp?  If someone were to find out about this, they might want that player off the team no matter what.  (I am not suggesting Bozak does drugs, this was used as example of a problem with a player that never went public.)
Strictly hockey-wise, no it doesn't make sense.  But strictly hockey-wise, maybe the Leafs had enough talent to make the playoffs, but because of their 'issues', failed miserably.  I would consider signing useless vets to play for the Leafs so younger players can stay on the Marlies and not be exposed to some of these players.

 

[hobarth]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

And sitting him at home would ensure you never move him.  His contract really isn't too bad, and he's a serviceable player.  It's just not the right time to move him, apparently.

I think as I thought when he was signed he is overpaid, I'm certain that other teams feel the same way as does TO. I expect if TO is able to trade him part of his contract will have to be eaten and a 3rd is possible if TO does eat some of the $s.

He isn't a serviceable player at the $s he's being paid and after watching Santo and Winnick I think it's very obvious how little talent he has. Ideally TO would find a way to move him opening a roster spot for TO's youth but unfortunately TO doesn't have any youth to replace him so he might as well stay.

I feel that only Arizona has a worse group of centers than TO, Bozak is a major part of TO's short comings but he is far from alone.

I don't think whether he is serviceable or not has anything to do with his contract.  He's a center who can win draws, and has consistently produced around 20 goals/50 points for 4 seasons now.  And he was actually a pretty good player in 2013/14.  Everybody was terrible last year, so it will be interesting to see what he does under Babcock, assuming he sticks around long enough.

His being overpaid is relative to what the market is paying for a player of his caliber at any given time.  A cap increase next year, and one less year on his deal should help.  I'm not a big Bozak fan, but I don't think he's without talent.  Regardless, he could still fetch a second in the right situation.

Why do Bozak fans keep pointing to his offensive stats as justification for his overly rich contract, is it because they secretly harbor the thought that he is the actual talent on TO's 1st line and Kessel's stats are mostly because of him? Stats in isolation are useless, how many 4 mil. per year wonders are playing on other team's 1st line with Kessels? Of course there are all kinds of exceptions but those are usually bridge or ELC players with honest to goodness talent. Steckle was one of the NHL's best faceoff artists but that one skill never made him 4 mil. per year worthy and neither should Bozak's far less successful faceoff ability, his offensive stats are/have been and will continue to be an embarrassment as TO's 1st center, his game in general is poor and his utility can be questioned until he actually finds a place on the roster where he should be. The question in my mind is, is he even a decent 3rd liner, 4th liner and if he's either of these he's overpaid, plain and simple which is why Shany fired so many of the previous regime with good cause.

In all this I don't dislike Bozak, I feel he's an honest player who gives his best, what I dislike is that by paying him 4 mil. plus, actually, it appeared he was being given more credibility than he deserved like he was actually a 2nd line center who was playing as the 1st until a proper 1st could be found, nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin.

See, that's not even close to being true.

I know the kids are busy, but really, obvious troll is obvious, stuff like this is really polluting the site.

 

[hobarth]

nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin.

See, that's not even close to being true.

I know the kids are busy, but really, obvious troll is obvious, stuff like this is really polluting the site.

I would assume from this that you also feel that Shany is a troll, Shany who's already torn apart the management, the scouting and what have you because he acknowledges that the work of those people was sub grade and now his attention will focus on the players. What Shany is going to have to do is not trolling so I can't understand that people who for inexplicable reasons have attached their fandom to such meagre players and blames anyone who challenges their fandom and throws around the troll word, I would think that the state of the Leafs is enough to make them question the health of the roster and each and every player.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin.

See, that's not even close to being true.

I know the kids are busy, but really, obvious troll is obvious, stuff like this is really polluting the site.

I would assume from this that you also feel that Shany is a troll, Shany who's already torn apart the management, the scouting and what have you because he acknowledges that the work of those people was sub grade and now his attention will focus on the players. What Shany is going to have to do is not trolling so I can't understand that people who for inexplicable reasons have attached their fandom to such meagre players and blames anyone who challenges their fandom and throws around the troll word, I would think that the state of the Leafs is enough to make them question the health of the roster and each and every player.

Trying to figure out what this has to do with Bozak not being better than Kadri by a considerable margin.

 

[caver]

there is a rumour that Shanahan lives under a bridge.....    :  (sorry )...

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If there was no interest in Bozak, could the Leafs just let him sit at home?  With younger players, smaller salaries, can the Leafs afford it?  Instead of spreading his cap hit (via buy-out) into years where it might be needed, would it be better to just get it over with now?  Could they do it with Kessel as well?  With each player only having a list of 12 and 8 teams respectively they'd accept a trade to, can the Leafs just lock them out completely?  When they realize they're finished, would they be open to more trade destinations?

I don't think it's the no trade clauses that are preventing them from moving.

And sitting him at home would ensure you never move him.  His contract really isn't too bad, and he's a serviceable player.  It's just not the right time to move him, apparently.

I think as I thought when he was signed he is overpaid, I'm certain that other teams feel the same way as does TO. I expect if TO is able to trade him part of his contract will have to be eaten and a 3rd is possible if TO does eat some of the $s.

He isn't a serviceable player at the $s he's being paid and after watching Santo and Winnick I think it's very obvious how little talent he has. Ideally TO would find a way to move him opening a roster spot for TO's youth but unfortunately TO doesn't have any youth to replace him so he might as well stay.

I feel that only Arizona has a worse group of centers than TO, Bozak is a major part of TO's short comings but he is far from alone.

I don't think whether he is serviceable or not has anything to do with his contract.  He's a center who can win draws, and has consistently produced around 20 goals/50 points for 4 seasons now.  And he was actually a pretty good player in 2013/14.  Everybody was terrible last year, so it will be interesting to see what he does under Babcock, assuming he sticks around long enough.

His being overpaid is relative to what the market is paying for a player of his caliber at any given time.  A cap increase next year, and one less year on his deal should help.  I'm not a big Bozak fan, but I don't think he's without talent.  Regardless, he could still fetch a second in the right situation.

Why do Bozak fans keep pointing to his offensive stats as justification for his overly rich contract, is it because they secretly harbor the thought that he is the actual talent on TO's 1st line and Kessel's stats are mostly because of him? Stats in isolation are useless, how many 4 mil. per year wonders are playing on other team's 1st line with Kessels? Of course there are all kinds of exceptions but those are usually bridge or ELC players with honest to goodness talent. Steckle was one of the NHL's best faceoff artists but that one skill never made him 4 mil. per year worthy and neither should Bozak's far less successful faceoff ability, his offensive stats are/have been and will continue to be an embarrassment as TO's 1st center, his game in general is poor and his utility can be questioned until he actually finds a place on the roster where he should be. The question in my mind is, is he even a decent 3rd liner, 4th liner and if he's either of these he's overpaid, plain and simple which is why Shany fired so many of the previous regime with good cause.

In all this I don't dislike Bozak, I feel he's an honest player who gives his best, what I dislike is that by paying him 4 mil. plus, actually, it appeared he was being given more credibility than he deserved like he was actually a 2nd line center who was playing as the 1st until a proper 1st could be found, nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin.

Oh, so serviceable then.  I'm glad we can agree on that.

 

[hobarth]

nothing about his game suggests he's a legitimate 1st or 2nd line center, nothing, but alas he is TO's best center by a considerable margin.

See, that's not even close to being true.

I know the kids are busy, but really, obvious troll is obvious, stuff like this is really polluting the site.

I would assume from this that you also feel that Shany is a troll, Shany who's already torn apart the management, the scouting and what have you because he acknowledges that the work of those people was sub grade and now his attention will focus on the players. What Shany is going to have to do is not trolling so I can't understand that people who for inexplicable reasons have attached their fandom to such meagre players and blames anyone who challenges their fandom and throws around the troll word, I would think that the state of the Leafs is enough to make them question the health of the roster and each and every player.

Trying to figure out what this has to do with Bozak not being better than Kadri by a considerable margin.

I think that Kadri is an honest talent who has lost his way, Robierio without the nanny, Bozak is without the talent and remains in the NHL because of who he plays for and character, I would prefer neither of these players remain with the Leafs. Of those 2 players I think Kadri would be an excellent 3rd line center as he proved during the short season but if TO has to give him more $s he should be moved as well, I thought Santo played a far superior brand of hockey to either of these 2 and I'm happy he's gone.

 

[Bullfrog]

Of those 2 players I think Kadri would be an excellent 3rd line center as he proved during the short season but if TO has to give him more $s he should be moved as well, I thought Santo played a far superior brand of hockey to either of these 2 and I'm happy he's gone.

Say what, now?