Auston Matthews
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azzurri63
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These guys make me laugh. Most of these guys shouldn't even have the jobs they have. So goal scoring is all that matters. 25 games into the season and Laine is better than Matthews because he has scored 6 more goals. Happy for the kid he's doing great but FFS let's give it some time. Laine has gone a few games with nothing, Auston had that drought. I haven't watched many Jet games but do watch the Leafs and when Auston wasn't scoring he was one of the better players on the ice. Was getting his chances and not much luck. Also Laine is playing with better line mates, a better team I think and Matthews is and has been playing with 2 rookies throughout the year. Matthews plays a lot more important position with more responsibility. Far as I'm concerned Auston is a more complete player. Laine is one dimensional I think. If goal scoring is the only thing that matters to determine a better player then right now Laine is the better player but goal scoring to me isn't the only thing that counts. Give it some time and let's see what happens. 25 games in and Laine is the best. But hey did you see the 2 passes he made on the weekend, and let's not forget the first meeting between the two. Hell the kid was non existent for 2 periods. Shut up Lawless. Homer I'm thinking.
Highlander
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Yes this is because of his teeth, the judges were worried about Rabies if the big O lost that one.Nik the Trik said:
bustaheims
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So, here's a fun fact: Only 1 of the top 10 all-time point scorers, and only 8 of the top 50, won the Calder. If Laine wins it, good for him. It doesn't mean much going forward.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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I couldn't hear what Lawless was saying over the sound of his diabetes.
Beowulf
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I also don't see how their respective linemates can be ignored in any sort of comparison.
Matthews is currently with Brown and Hyman. Yes he has been with Nylander for a large chunk of time but either way you cut it his linemates are rookies who have not yet proven they're top line talent (in Nylander's case, obviously Brown and Hyman are highly unlikely to ever be that)
Laine has spent the majority of his time with Scheifele and either Ehlers or Wheeler. Scheifele and Wheeler are two fairly established top line forwards who had 61 and 78 points respectively last season. Ehlers is a comparable for Nylander both in terms of draft position and skillset but has already played a full season. Most recently Laine has been with Little and Ehlers; Little is an established 2nd liner who has averaged .73-.74 PPG his past two seasons.
So any way you cut it Laine has by far had the better linemates.
Matthews is currently with Brown and Hyman. Yes he has been with Nylander for a large chunk of time but either way you cut it his linemates are rookies who have not yet proven they're top line talent (in Nylander's case, obviously Brown and Hyman are highly unlikely to ever be that)
Laine has spent the majority of his time with Scheifele and either Ehlers or Wheeler. Scheifele and Wheeler are two fairly established top line forwards who had 61 and 78 points respectively last season. Ehlers is a comparable for Nylander both in terms of draft position and skillset but has already played a full season. Most recently Laine has been with Little and Ehlers; Little is an established 2nd liner who has averaged .73-.74 PPG his past two seasons.
So any way you cut it Laine has by far had the better linemates.
Boston Leaf
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I would take Matthews 11 times out of 10 ( I know that makes no sense) over Laine again. Score all you want kid...Ill take the big center thank you
It's probably a discussion that will be had for the length of their careers, unless one of them turns out to be a flat out bust. It's kind of like the Toews vs. Crosby debate put forth by Toews supporters who want people to recognize just how good he is. If the Leafs win the cup though, will it really matter what Laine does? If they reach the ultimate goal, what would the argument be? They would have won the cup easier if they had drafted Laine?
L K
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Bender said:
Since the 2000-2001 season he has the 33rd best shooting percentage for a player scoring 10 or more goals. It's certainly sustainable within a single season but it is questionably reproducible in any meaningful way. Brendan Morrow and Alex Tanguay are the only two players to have repeat seasons with that kind of shooting percentage.
His 2:1 goals to assist ratio also doesn't strike me as point production that will be reproducible in the long run given the type of shots he takes. He's absolutely an elite goal scorer but he isn't likely to be a guy who scores 50 a year without increasing his shot volume and finding another location to score from.