Brendan Shanahan to be named president of Maple Leafs
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RedLeaf said:Zee said:Optimus Reimer said:caveman said:hockeyfan1 said:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/shanahan-elbows-nonis-out-of-the-top-job-at-mlse/article17998283/
I bet this writer got beaten up fairly often during his school days...
Agreed. If the dork had watched the PC carefully and listened to the words being spoken by Tim Leiweke he would have realized that for now Nonis is still GM of the team and will now report directly to Shanahan. There is also a review period in which BS will assess the entire organization top to bottom, then decide who stays and who goes. I heard nothing to the extent that Nonis' duties have been reduced although that is a possible outcome after the review by BS.
This is once again another case of a really bad media person sensationalizing information using baseless and non existent facts.
P.S. Someone can always rough him up near the photocopier!
I'm not liking how Shanahan's name can be shortened to BS.
The new president of the Leafs is BS.
For what it's worth?this report was B.S.
I am glad his name was not Frank Upshaw.
Optimus Reimer
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Nik the Trik said:
What I am seeing now is if Nonis is staying on as GM, Shanahan will delegate GM responsibilities to him, but if Nonis is not on the same page as Shanahan then Nonis is gone.
I really do not see it as a demotion for Nonis, but he is on a tight leash and may have to discuss transactions with Shanahan before proceeding...it just depends on their working relationship and if they can work together.
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Optimus Reimer said:
It's more than that, I've heard Leiweke say something to the effect of "Shanahan sets the direction of the team", so sounds like he's making the decisions. Nonis as an experienced GM is probably there to help Shanahan on the day to day things about running a team as GM, but the decision making on personnel/coaching will be Shanahan.
GhostofPotvin29
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Zee said:
They said all hockey decisions will go through him for approval, so he's running the show basically.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Potvin29 said:
Yup, Nonis just got neutered. I bet Burke called him last night.
BlueWhiteBlood
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RedLeaf said:
Well, the comment was kind of in jest, but the situation with Nonis just seems to be the kind that would piss Burke off also. His loyalty to his friends, not to mention being burned by these guys himself recently, gives me the feeling that him having an opening in Calgary makes it a bit easier to maybe help Nonis out and have his buddy back in the booth.
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
Oh, I agree. I would think Burke would like some revenge after what happened to him here. He's definitely that type of personality.
I think Nonis is still pretty happy in Toronto though. Not too many GM's get the chance in their careers to help to guide the biggest ship in the fleet.
GhostofPotvin29
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Our very own Edward John Smith.
Redleaf
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Potvin29 said:
One of my favorite Steve Jobs quotes may apply to Shanahan as he takes on his new position with the Leafs?
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Frank E
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Nik the Trik said:
Managing the day to day operations of the club, and following through on the initiatives set forth by his boss?
This is not unlike having an owner to report to, but because it's a business, you have a president.
You guys get caught up in "autonomy" stuff...we don't really know how much rope Nonis has had. Nonis reported to Leiweke previously, now he reports to Shanahan. After hearing Leiweke quotes this past week, I'm not surprised if Nonis would rather have Shanahan as his boss.
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Frank E said:
Except there's a huge difference in terms of reporting to Leiweke and reporting to Shanahan if the person above Nonis is said to ultimately have authority in terms of making hockey decisions. Unless Leiweke is essentially hockey's version of Jerry Jones, he's not going to make any hockey decisions because he has no hockey background. Shanahan does. So even if the structure is fundamentally unchanged and Leiweke technically had "final decision" making powers previously, Leiweke essentially delegating that responsibility to someone who is going to bring their own hockey background and expertise to the table represents a drastic difference in what Nonis will do.
If Nonis wants to sign player X and went to Leiweke for approval, that's still being a GM. If Shanahan wants to sign player X and instructs Nonis to work on the particulars, that's not something we traditionally associate with the GM's job description.
Generally, I like the move. Even Leiweke has a boss - the MLSE board. All hockey execs do.
A hockey guy, Shanahan, will evaluate the performance of the GM - not a bad thing (think of that compared to Peddie ...) . A hockey guy, Shanahan, can do some of the ribbon cutting/PR stuff/MLSE board stuff letting the GM focus on acquiring the hockey talent.
I liked that Shanahan didn't come with a preset notion on how a team should be built. He sounded like he'll evaluate what they have and be flexible on the best path forward from the talent they have. That is better to me than Burke's approach of "I want this team to reflect my idea of a model - truculence, testosterone, etc" because that takes more work to assemble that from where they were and therefore, it is less likely to be achieved. In other words, there is more than one way of going about it and Shanahan is wisely open to that.
As for Nonis, he's been kind of screwed trying to make Burke's retooling effort work (not that he isn't responsible for a bunch of that). It's a tougher way to try to win as he doesn't have the fruits of a true rebuilt young core to work with. Now he's kind of stuck with all the contracts he's done to tie up a core that struggles to make the playoffs. It's hard for me to imagine how he can ever fully rebound from that. He can get them back to the playoffs but he'll be hard pressed to get them into a parade any time soon.
Shanahan probably realizes that and is going to take his time coming up to speed on what they have and what they lack while Nonis flails away ... and Shanahan lines up his eventual successor.
A hockey guy, Shanahan, will evaluate the performance of the GM - not a bad thing (think of that compared to Peddie ...) . A hockey guy, Shanahan, can do some of the ribbon cutting/PR stuff/MLSE board stuff letting the GM focus on acquiring the hockey talent.
I liked that Shanahan didn't come with a preset notion on how a team should be built. He sounded like he'll evaluate what they have and be flexible on the best path forward from the talent they have. That is better to me than Burke's approach of "I want this team to reflect my idea of a model - truculence, testosterone, etc" because that takes more work to assemble that from where they were and therefore, it is less likely to be achieved. In other words, there is more than one way of going about it and Shanahan is wisely open to that.
As for Nonis, he's been kind of screwed trying to make Burke's retooling effort work (not that he isn't responsible for a bunch of that). It's a tougher way to try to win as he doesn't have the fruits of a true rebuilt young core to work with. Now he's kind of stuck with all the contracts he's done to tie up a core that struggles to make the playoffs. It's hard for me to imagine how he can ever fully rebound from that. He can get them back to the playoffs but he'll be hard pressed to get them into a parade any time soon.
Shanahan probably realizes that and is going to take his time coming up to speed on what they have and what they lack while Nonis flails away ... and Shanahan lines up his eventual successor.
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cw said:
I can tell Shanahan what he lacks in two minutes: size and toughness upfront, overall team grit, inability to kill penalties, poor powerplay, a reliable centre who can win faceoffs consistently.