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Peter D. said:
As long as the private arenas on the outskirts of the city continue to allow rentals for ball hockey groups, I'm good.  Take that away...  >:( >:( >:(

My men's league at ice sports just got cancelled. I'm disappointed, but for the best though, things are spiralling, and when you look at all the people's livelihoods being affected, it's hard to complain too much about recreation.
 
Nik said:
My behaviour didn't change much when the lockdown eased so this isn't a material difference for me but it makes me angry how forseeable this was.

A lot of people are going to get sick because some people didn't want to face reality.
I know. I know some people in their 50s who are saying they're tired of this and it should just rip. I just read an article on the star that the restaurant/bar industry makes up 2% of Toronto's GDP. The bigger cost is a sick and possibly debilitated workforce in general.
 
Frycer14 said:
Peter D. said:
As long as the private arenas on the outskirts of the city continue to allow rentals for ball hockey groups, I'm good.  Take that away...  >:( >:( >:(

My men's league at ice sports just got cancelled. I'm disappointed, but for the best though, things are spiralling, and when you look at all the people's livelihoods being affected, it's hard to complain too much about recreation.

For a lot of people recreation is important and a mental health break and maybe their only socialising so I do think we need to attach some importance to it.

And equally as you say shutting it down may impact the staffs jobs etc.

It?s such a difficult mess to deal with and manage and balance for governments.
 
Arn said:
Frycer14 said:
Peter D. said:
As long as the private arenas on the outskirts of the city continue to allow rentals for ball hockey groups, I'm good.  Take that away...  >:( >:( >:(

My men's league at ice sports just got cancelled. I'm disappointed, but for the best though, things are spiralling, and when you look at all the people's livelihoods being affected, it's hard to complain too much about recreation.

For a lot of people recreation is important and a mental health break and maybe their only socialising so I do think we need to attach some importance to it.

Absolutely, it's important. But there's safer options in terms of exercise, as well as socialization. I mean, there's major sacrifices that have to be made, and as much as I love playing hockey, it's a very, very small price to pay for safety.
 
I know somebody who works at a drive test centre in a small town in southern Ontario doing license testing. This small town is two hours away from Toronto. She says that she spends almost all day, every day in cars from Toronto, Peel and York. They come in cars packed full with people first thing in the morning and sit in front of the office all day long while they do their tests one by one. This office is in a plaza with multiple other stores, and the people from the GTA stand in front of the doors of the other stores, clustered in big groups with no masks on, not even getting out of the way when people are trying to get into or out of those stores. She says some days the entire parking lot looks like a concert with the number of people just hanging around all day long.

She's worried about her safety being forced to be in cars all day long with people from a covid hot spot, but she's also worried about the safety of everybody else she's in cars with. Because if she gets exposed to the virus then anybody else that comes in for a test is going to be exposed too. She's really worried about her small community because there are currently zero cases in the area and only small hospitals that cover a large geographical area that would be very easily overwhelmed if there was an out break.

Right now they're forcing people to do their tests with the windows partially opened, but they're already getting complaints about that and she's not sure they'll be allowed to continue requiring the windows down when the weather gets colder. They might be forced into the confined space with people from the GTA for a half hour at a time per person or risk losing their jobs.

It shocked me that they were ever allowed to travel so far for tests, especially given everything going on right now. She says it's been going on forever all over the place, the people that come to the small towns can't pass the test if they take it in the city so they go to small towns trying to get their license where there's no traffic. They barely pass there, then they go back to the big cities and are not safe to be driving there at all. It's no wonder the car insurance rates in the GTA are so high.

Apparently the Doug Ford government isn't even considering restricting how far people can travel to do license testing. Based on what she told me it's only a matter of time until small towns across southern Ontario end up with out breaks of the virus due to this.
 
Many of us have used the deferred mortgage payments the banks made available when the Covid lockdown hit.  It was a godsend too many of us who had lost our jobs and many of us are still out of work due to the Covid virus, especially those of us in the travel industry.  Now the 6 month period is up and its like the whole fleet coming out of hyper speed in Star Wars.  All these homes with no place to go financially. 
It was just written that most families can only handle a two month period of time to finance everything out of pocket, which means up to 20% of current mortgages run the risk of defaulting in the next 2-4 months.

I asked my bank agent about a further deferral and there are non available, they wouldn't even consider expanding the amortization period to bring payments down to a more manageable level, even if it was just till employment returns.

So I asked her what she thinks is going to happen when the banks have 20% of mortgage holders start to default all at the same time (or within months of each other).  Where are these people going to go, won't the real estate market crash and burn? It's going to be a bloody mess, as current support will only help people eat and pay rudimentary bills for the most part.  Forget car and mortgage payments.

And the real problem if you sell your place, any rental is probably going to be more than your mortgage payment and people will be eating up most of the last nest egg they have to survive.

Any comments on this post?  I would love to hear them.
 
I mean, my guess is that the banks are expecting some sort of relief to come from the Federal government to avoid a huge run of defaults.

Other than that I'm not entirely sure what to say. Mortgaging any property is effectively a bet that your financial circumstances will either maintain or improve for as long as it takes to pay off the mortgage. Covid has certainly disrupted the lives of many through no fault of their own but the reality is that many people's financial circumstances change drastically through no fault of their own whether because of illness/injury or layoffs or, you know, fill in the blank. There may be an argument that the government has a sort of incentive to step in here specifically to head off a massive imminent shock to the system economically but my guess is that there are also a lot of people out there who, after the last housing market crash, will say that people who bet wrong on housing are effectively in the same boat as people who bet wrong on any other commodity. People in rough financial situations because of Covid aren't any more deserving than people who were in rough financial situations for other reasons. And that applies to renters as much as homeowners.

I mean, personally, this is why I'm so opposed to the idea of commodifying housing in the first place. The problem is that before the pandemic a lot of homeowners probably would have said that in our cold, unfeeling capitalist system they deserve to be where they are and some guy sleeping on a subway grate "deserves" to be where he is. Now that same system has turned on many of them and I guess my hope is that a lot of people see that everyone deserves to be relatively secure in having a roof over their heads regardless of economic circumstances.
 
"It looks like I'm immune for, I don't know, maybe a long time, or maybe a short time. It could be a lifetime. Nobody really knows," Trump told Fox. "Now you have a president who doesn't have to hide in the basement, like his opponent..."

Yeah right...I guess what you're saying, Donny, is that every American should rush out and get Covid and stop being such chickens. No need for stimulus packages or medicare if you kill off the weak. Darwin would be proud of you!
 
If Justin turner tested positive for covid how has it not spread across the team? To at least a couple of other people? He never wore a mask, was near all kinds of players and coaches.

I?m wondering if he was a false positive. You?d think it would have to have spread to a few people.
 
Joe S. said:
If Justin turner tested positive for covid how has it not spread across the team? To at least a couple of other people? He never wore a mask, was near all kinds of players and coaches.

I?m wondering if he was a false positive. You?d think it would have to have spread to a few people.

It?s possible he?s just patient zero, and the spread is coming - though, with the season over, we might never hear about the full extent of it.
 
Is anyone a bit surprised by the interest in the flu shot this year? I mean, I figured since COVID and the flu are different things that people would just stick to doing what they've been doing. I guess maybe they're hedging their bets against getting flu as it could weaken you if you get covid or vice versa?
 
Bender said:
Is anyone a bit surprised by the interest in the flu shot this year? I mean, I figured since COVID and the flu are different things that people would just stick to doing what they've been doing. I guess maybe they're hedging their bets against getting flu as it could weaken you if you get covid or vice versa?

In NB they've been begging us to get a flu shot (and an early one!) this year. They pitched it less as as self-protection motive and more to help keep the load on medical professionals from "other stuff" to a minimum. They also rolled it out to most of the pharmacies so we can easily get our shot anywhere, not just from our GP.
 
Bender said:
Is anyone a bit surprised by the interest in the flu shot this year? I mean, I figured since COVID and the flu are different things that people would just stick to doing what they've been doing. I guess maybe they're hedging their bets against getting flu as it could weaken you if you get covid or vice versa?

Well the government was pleading with people to get it done this year. Perhaps some people listen.
 
Been doing the jab for the last 18 years.  For a while they had it in nose spray (which you had to pay for and was great), however the needles are so fine now, that you sometimes don't know you have been jabbed.
No flu in all that time.
 
The U.K. government outdoing themselves again:


https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1322640935172378624

https://twitter.com/deirdreheenan/status/1322595281897164800

https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1322623505607909380
 
Arn said:
The U.K. government outdoing themselves again:


https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1322640935172378624

https://twitter.com/deirdreheenan/status/1322595281897164800

https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1322623505607909380

Why does every country think they can stop the virus by not taking a hard line stance? It ends up biting them in the ass every single time without fail. If the oven is hot and ten people have burnt their hands touching it then you probably don't have to try it out yourself.
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523789-18-trump-rallies-have-lead-to-30k-cases-700-deaths-stanford-university
 

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