Coyotes @ leafs - Jan. 20th, 7:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

[ZBBM]

8-9-2 since Nylander has returned. Huge win in Tampa followed by two duds against awful teams.  Matthews is all kinds of awful right now. 

This team will beat Boston though right?  Leafs won?t make the playoffs.

Again, your legit criticisms get drowned in hype.  The Leafs are not going to miss the playoffs.

There will be changes coming to the blueline, I betcha.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

8-9-2 since Nylander has returned. Huge win in Tampa followed by two duds against awful teams.  Matthews is all kinds of awful right now. 

This team will beat Boston though right?  Leafs won?t make the playoffs.

I agree that the playoffs are certainly no guarantee.  This isn?t a very good hockey team right now and maybe not at all.

 

[lc9]

When do you seriously consider moving on from Babcock?  Nothing has changed for 2 months. 

 

[lc9]

8-9-2 since Nylander has returned. Huge win in Tampa followed by two duds against awful teams.  Matthews is all kinds of awful right now. 

This team will beat Boston though right?  Leafs won?t make the playoffs.

Again, your legit criticisms get drowned in hype.  The Leafs are not going to miss the playoffs.

There will be changes coming to the blueline, I betcha.

At this point they could miss the playoffs just as easily as make them. You aren?t taking seriously that they have been awful for 7 weeks.  As I always ask, what tells you that they will get better?

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

Holey sh*t! Where's the Tylenol?

 

[dekedastardly]

When do you seriously consider moving on from Babcock?  Nothing has changed for 2 months.

Some change has got to happen. Be it player personnel, or coaching. This team needs a wake up call.

 

[TML fan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

 

[Zee]

Leafs now on a worse points pace than last season.

 

[lc9]

Last 20 games, 82 point pace.  This is a real problem. 

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Maybe the mix of personnel is wrong.  There is a lot of cute and not much else.

 

[Bates]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

 

[lc9]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Why can?t the coach be held accountable for style of play?

 

[lc9]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

Yes.  Babcock is getting the least possible out of this group. 

 

[TML fan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

The coach doesn't get to decide how other teams play the Leafs. The idea is that the Leafs need to be able to beat a team like the Coyotes at their game so the Leafs can destroy them with theirs.

 

[TML fan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Maybe the mix of personnel is wrong.  There is a lot of cute and not much else.

That's why Babcock keeps shuffling the lines and putting less skilled guys in more prominent roles. He's trying to get more out of his players.

You can talk about skill all you want but this is the kind of hockey that's played in the playoffs and the Leafs suck at it. Because they suck at it, they can't play the high skilled game they want. Their opponents won't let them, and the Leafs aren't good enough to ignore that.

 

[TML fan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Why can?t the coach be held accountable for style of play?

Because, as I said above, the coach doesn't get to decide what style of game his opponent is going to play.

 

[Bates]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

The coach doesn't get to decide how other teams play the Leafs. The idea is that the Leafs need to be able to beat a team like the Coyotes at their game so the Leafs can destroy them with theirs.

I can't remember the last time I thought the Leaf's out-coached the opposition but I see the opposite on an almost nightly basis. Out skill the other team isn't really a good game plan.

 

[TML fan]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

The coach doesn't get to decide how other teams play the Leafs. The idea is that the Leafs need to be able to beat a team like the Coyotes at their game so the Leafs can destroy them with theirs.

I can't remember the last time I thought the Leaf's out-coached the opposition but I see the opposite on an almost nightly basis. Out skill the other team isn't really a good game plan.

That's why he's got Brown and Johnsson playing with Matthews. Because out skilling the opposition isn't working. He's trying to get some more muckers in to do the dirty work, and hoping that it catches on. The fact that it's not is on the players, not him.

He didn't play Komarov a lot for no reason. He was trying to set an example for his team, showing them that these are the things you need to do to win in this league. If you don't want to do those things you aren't going to play as much. Skill is not everything.

 

[TML fan]

On a lighter note, I thought Marincin looked pretty good.

 

[Bates]

This isn't a Babcock issue. Babcock has done all he can. He knows what the Leafs need to do. He's said it publicly.

The Leafs don't want to play in the muck, and they aren't good enough to dictate how the game is played. This is on the players.

Coach the team you have not the one you want, he is getting less out of this group than  ability would indicate. That's on the coach.

The coach doesn't get to decide how other teams play the Leafs. The idea is that the Leafs need to be able to beat a team like the Coyotes at their game so the Leafs can destroy them with theirs.

I can't remember the last time I thought the Leaf's out-coached the opposition but I see the opposite on an almost nightly basis. Out skill the other team isn't really a good game plan.

That's why he's got Brown and Johnsson playing with Matthews. Because out skilling the opposition isn't working. He's trying to get some more muckers in to do the dirty work, and hoping that it catches on. The fact that it's not is on the players, not him.

He didn't play Komarov a lot for no reason. He was trying to set an example for his team, showing them that these are the things you need to do to win in this league. If you don't want to do those things you aren't going to play as much. Skill is not everything.

Or it's just possible that the skilled players just don't want to work for this coach???  He wears thin everywhere, it just seems to have happened really fast here.