Dave Bolland

[CarltonTheBear]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/02/maple-leafs-coach-laments-bolland-injury

?He brings a ton of leadership on and off the ice, he is a guy that has won two Stanley Cups and he knows what it takes,? Tyler Bozak said on Wednesday after a handful of Leafs participated in an optional practice at the MasterCard Centre.

?He can help us in the room, as well as on the ice, and show us what we need to do. (He) also adds an element to our team that we were missing for sure. (Bolland has) big shoes (for others to fill), so it?s nice to have him back.?

Bozak's just repaying the favour for when Bolland called him a top-10 centre.

 

[Redleaf]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/02/maple-leafs-coach-laments-bolland-injury

?He brings a ton of leadership on and off the ice, he is a guy that has won two Stanley Cups and he knows what it takes,? Tyler Bozak said on Wednesday after a handful of Leafs participated in an optional practice at the MasterCard Centre.

?He can help us in the room, as well as on the ice, and show us what we need to do. (He) also adds an element to our team that we were missing for sure. (Bolland has) big shoes (for others to fill), so it?s nice to have him back.?

That doesn't prove he's a true leader. That only proves Bozak likes him. :

We will need to find a similar comment from every member of the team.....

 

[lamajama]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/02/maple-leafs-coach-laments-bolland-injury

?He brings a ton of leadership on and off the ice, he is a guy that has won two Stanley Cups and he knows what it takes,? Tyler Bozak said on Wednesday after a handful of Leafs participated in an optional practice at the MasterCard Centre.

?He can help us in the room, as well as on the ice, and show us what we need to do. (He) also adds an element to our team that we were missing for sure. (Bolland has) big shoes (for others to fill), so it?s nice to have him back.?

That doesn't prove he's a true leader. That only proves Bozak likes him. :

We will need to find a similar comment from every member of the team.....

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

 

[2badknees]

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

Or scoring the cup winning goal. But that's no big deal compared to a few deficiencies after being out most of the season and likely playing hurt.

Seriously, some of you people are painful to read. Not because there isn't logic, but because you're so damn bitter. It seems to bring more entertainment to attack a poster for their point of view rather than present a counterpoint.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

Or scoring the cup winning goal. But that's no big deal compared to a few deficiencies after being out most of the season and likely playing hurt.

Seriously, some of you people are painful to read. Not because there isn't logic, but because you're so damn bitter. It seems to bring more entertainment to attack a poster for their point of view rather than present a counterpoint.

I don't get how this all stemmed from simply asking for evidence to a stated position (and I might add was told it was a stupid question to ask, since we're concerned about 'attacks').

Scoring a Cup winning goal isn't evidence of leadership either, by the way, although I'm willing to listen to arguments as to why it should be.  It's just evidence of being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Redleaf]

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

Or scoring the cup winning goal. But that's no big deal compared to a few deficiencies after being out most of the season and likely playing hurt.

Seriously, some of you people are painful to read. Not because there isn't logic, but because you're so damn bitter. It seems to bring more entertainment to attack a poster for their point of view rather than present a counterpoint.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

 

[Kin]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to argue that an intangible quality has a tangible value and then steadfastly refuse to try and contextualize that quality and its value.

I mean at that point you're more or less just making up words and attaching meaning to them in service of a point.

 

[Redleaf]

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

Or scoring the cup winning goal. But that's no big deal compared to a few deficiencies after being out most of the season and likely playing hurt.

Seriously, some of you people are painful to read. Not because there isn't logic, but because you're so damn bitter. It seems to bring more entertainment to attack a poster for their point of view rather than present a counterpoint.

I don't get how this all stemmed from simply asking for evidence to a stated position (and I might add was told it was a stupid question to ask, since we're concerned about 'attacks').

It's the genuineness of your questions that are being examined. There are people, other than just myself, that can clearly see your insincerity.

 

[lamajama]

Or perhaps tangible evidence of the leadership. Like not making bonehead plays in his own end, or bad line changes and such.

Or scoring the cup winning goal. But that's no big deal compared to a few deficiencies after being out most of the season and likely playing hurt.

Seriously, some of you people are painful to read. Not because there isn't logic, but because you're so damn bitter. It seems to bring more entertainment to attack a poster for their point of view rather than present a counterpoint.

I don't get how this all stemmed from simply asking for evidence to a stated position (and I might add was told it was a stupid question to ask, since we're concerned about 'attacks').

Scoring a Cup winning goal isn't evidence of leadership either, by the way, although I'm willing to listen to arguments as to why it should be.  It's just evidence of being in the right place at the right time.

Yes - the right place at the right time. My original question was based on his play of which his on-going injury recovery really isn't a factor in a bad line change or poor defensive positioning. The qualities he brings apparently is supposed to be the ability to step up at crunch time or key moments - of which he by most measurements failed at in the last number of games. Not 100% I agree. He probably shouldn't be playing but to excuse bad decisions due to this isn't correct either. His "leadership in the room" is more intangible but the results of the last number of weeks question that including the rest of the so-called leaders like Dion, Lupul etc. If the team was this bad with him in the room just how bad would it have been without him.

My entire concern here is that Nonis will sign him to a 6-7 year deal at $5 mil+ and that will require him moving a Kadri or another player that should be kept.

I'm not hating on Bolland. I just don't see the benefit of this player vs the contract he will probably get from the Leafs not to mention the resulting ramifications of that
deal in a Cap system.

 

[rdowdall]

So what's the fear here, Bolland walks and the Leafs miss the playoffs next year?

 

[mc]

So what's the fear here, Bolland walks and the Leafs miss the playoffs next year?

McDavid!

 

[2badknees]

I wouldn't be looking to sign Bolland, Kulimen, Raymond, or Franson to be honest. I would also attempt to move Phaneuf, Lupul, and possibly Kadri, if he would net a larger, young high potential d-man.

I'd fill the gaps with some Marlies to see what we've got that is NHL capable, and hopefully draft a few years in the top 5. Then, I'd look at impact FAs, and build a winner.

And, I'd lower ticket prices to $5, and did I mention free beer?

 

[freer]

I wouldn't be looking to sign Bolland, Kulimen, Raymond, or Franson to be honest. I would also attempt to move Phaneuf, Lupul, and possibly Kadri, if he would net a larger, young high potential d-man.

I'd fill the gaps with some Marlies to see what we've got that is NHL capable, and hopefully draft a few years in the top 5. Then, I'd look at impact FAs, and build a winner.

And, I'd lower ticket prices to $5, and did I mention free beer?

Well IMO you would be looking at 5-6 years before they make the playoffs again.

 

[bustaheims]

So what's the fear here, Bolland walks and the Leafs miss the playoffs next year?

Sort of the opposite, really - that he signs a big contract to stay and the Leafs miss the playoffs next season.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I wouldn't be looking to sign Bolland, Kulimen, Raymond, or Franson to be honest. I would also attempt to move Phaneuf, Lupul, and possibly Kadri, if he would net a larger, young high potential d-man.

I'd fill the gaps with some Marlies to see what we've got that is NHL capable, and hopefully draft a few years in the top 5. Then, I'd look at impact FAs, and build a winner.

And, I'd lower ticket prices to $5, and did I mention free beer?

I believe free beer is how the username 'freer' was born.

 

[2badknees]

Well IMO you would be looking at 5-6 years before they make the playoffs again.

No doubt. But I think I covered that off nicely with the last two words of my business plan.

 

[bustaheims]

I wouldn't be looking to sign Bolland, Kulimen, Raymond, or Franson to be honest. I would also attempt to move Phaneuf, Lupul, and possibly Kadri, if he would net a larger, young high potential d-man.

I agree in terms of Bolland, Raymond and Franson. They're all going to cost more than they're worth next season. As for Kulemin, I'm kind of torn. If he's willing to sign a similar contract to the one he's on now, I'd take him back. If he's looking for a significant raise, it's time to let him go. I don't agree RE: Kadri. I think trading him for a defenceman is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I don't really agree on Phaneuf, either. I get the inclination, but, I think what really has to happen there is he needs to have his minutes reined in a little. As for Lupul . . . that really depends on what other moves are made. The Leafs need secondary scoring, and he and Kadri are pretty much all they have far that under contract for next season. I also don't think the team would be a bottom 5 team with a change in strategy and some of the Marlies taking the open spots that would be available on the roster. I mean, for the most part, we're looking at 3rd/4th line and bottom pairing duty. While the team may not have a lot of high-end prospects in the system, they certainly have guys who can fill those roles with quality minutes. That being said, I'd also avoid the UFA market like the plague. Outside of the rare exceptional talent that hits the market, the only players the Leafs should be looking at in terms of free agents are depth players who are willing to sign cheap, short term deals.

 

[2badknees]

I don't agree RE: Kadri. I think trading him for a defenceman is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I don't really agree on Phaneuf, either. I get the inclination, but, I think what really has to happen there is he needs to have his minutes reined in a little. As for Lupul . . . that really depends on what other moves are made. The Leafs need secondary scoring, and he and Kadri are pretty much all they have far that under contract for next season.

My 5$ free beer team is going to be built from the defense-out, hence Kadri being "traded". If I could have a defenceman at the same age with similar potential, i'd make that move. I know he's young, but I just don't really see Kadri's game evolving to take that next big step. Apart from drawing penalties.

I'd move lupul because he's injury prone, and I don't think he makes very good decisions with the puck for a 5M player. Secondary scoring is good, but I don't think he's the guy going forward. I've nothing against Kulimin, but Carter Ashton could probably play that role for 2M cheaper. Its not like he's been contributing offensively.

Phaneuf had a decent season, in my opinion, apart from the last 3 weeks. But his games definitely has holes, and I'm troubled by how he seems less and less hard to play against - physically, and speedwise. I think the best hit he threw all season was against JVR. And with no evidence to back it up, I don't think he's a fit as captain, and I don't think you can take it away without moving him.

Truth be told, I would very seriously look at moving Kessel as well. I think he's a one dimensional player, and they could get a king's ransom for him right now, and perhaps put the team ahead years in the rebuilding process. But I didn't want my head ripped off, so I left him out.

Anyway, this is getting a little past the Dave Bolland subject matter, so I'll continue rambling on another thread.

 

[Redleaf]

I'll go on record as saying I believe Bolland would be a great signing for the Leafs this summer, providing the number isn't outrageous.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/10/leafs-bolland-in-the-spotlight

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Since he became a full-time NHLer he's been healthy for 69% of regular season games, and now he's coming off a serious injury to his ankle when he was never a great skater to begin with.

I think whatever he comes in at will probably be an overpayment and I'm not particularly interested in him.  Maybe if they didn't already have Clarkson it might be easier to look past, but such is reality.