Dave Nonis is a bust

[Kin]

This is basically a good summation of him: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2014/03/17/answering-the-question-what-is-dion-phaneuf-great-awful-something-else/

Yeah, I'm sorry but an argument like this:

Phaneuf?s goal and assist in yesterday game has him close to 10 goals and 30 points on the season, which good enough to get you in the top 30, which, by the way, clearly defines you as a top-pairing d-man.

Automatically disqualifies a piece from being "good".

 

[groundskeeper willie]

Fair enough. The Clarkson thing is so bad that I forgot about all of that. Clarkson is going to haunt the leafs like an albatross for a generation.

Sorry, couldn't help it:

Albatrosses, of the biological family Diomedeidae, are large seabirds allied to the procellariids, storm petrels and diving petrels in the order Procellariiformes (the tubenoses). They range widely in the Southern Ocean and the North Pacific. They are absent from the North Atlantic, although fossil remains show they once occurred there too and occasional vagrants are found. Albatrosses are among the largest of flying birds, and the great albatrosses (genus Diomedea) have the largest wingspans of any extant birds, reaching up to 12 feet (3.7 m). The albatrosses are usually regarded as falling into four genera, but there is disagreement over the number of species.

An albatross around one's neck

Meaning

A burden which some unfortunate person has to carry.

Origin

This phrase refers to lines from the poem The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, in which the eponymous mariner, who shoots an albatross, is obliged to carry the burden of the bird hung around his neck as a punishment for and reminder of his ill deed.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/30800.html

 

[ZBBM]

This is basically a good summation of him: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2014/03/17/answering-the-question-what-is-dion-phaneuf-great-awful-something-else/

Yeah, I'm sorry but an argument like this:

Phaneuf?s goal and assist in yesterday game has him close to 10 goals and 30 points on the season, which good enough to get you in the top 30, which, by the way, clearly defines you as a top-pairing d-man.

Automatically disqualifies a piece from being "good".

For sure.  All that guy did was to successfully knock down the know-nothing fans who seriously think "he sucks" and that's it. Not too hard to do that.

The fact that knowledgeable hockey people are deeply divided on him tells you that he has flaws that keep him out of any discussion of the league's top defensemen. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The fact that knowledgeable hockey people are deeply divided on him tells you that he has flaws that keep him out of any discussion of the league's top defensemen.

Knowledgeable people being deeply divided on a player happens to a lot of really good-to-great players.

 

[Leaflifer]

...and this team's overall persistent inability to play 60 consecutive minutes of NHL-level hockey...

This is the big issue I see. This has been going on for two years. The leafs won a lot of games last year and this year playing 20 minutes of hockey.

The leafs usually win their games in a span of about 6 minutes, the rest is goaltending.

All shootout points do is give bad teams a chance to make the playoffs.

I can't think about it anymore...I don't know if it's RC, or leadership, but this team does not play solid games. They had more complete games in their seasons when Sundin was here and they would win 1 and lose 2.

Yeah, I'm sorry but an argument like this:

Phaneuf?s goal and assist in yesterday game has him close to 10 goals and 30 points on the season, which good enough to get you in the top 30, which, by the way, clearly defines you as a top-pairing d-man.

Automatically disqualifies a piece from being "good".

That's exactly the spot I quit reading that article.

GAAAH!!! I'm so frickin sick of this team losing..

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Didn't really pay close attention to this thread after I posted, but I actually thought this was the link I was posting (which I got to from THAT link): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-play-likely-harming-phaneufs-numbers/

Sorry guys & gals.  Deduct a week's pay if you must.

 

[Kin]

For sure.  All that guy did was to successfully knock down the know-nothing fans who seriously think "he sucks" and that's it. Not too hard to do that.

The fact that knowledgeable hockey people are deeply divided on him tells you that he has flaws that keep him out of any discussion of the league's top defensemen.

Well, at the very least it should reframe the discussion into the more meaningful one of where he is in context rather than the sort of "he plays a lot of tough minutes!" and "Who could they replace him with" stuff which largely obscures the issue.

It's a little bit like RA Dickey with the Jays. He's a safe bet to throw a ton of innings and the Jays don't have anyone better for the spot but those are arguments you could make about any #1 anything on a bad team in any sport. Hopefully we're aiming a little higher.

 

[avatarx51]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

 

[Champ Kind]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

I won't argue with your opinion, but how, exactly, does this relate to Dave Nonis?

 

[louisstamos]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

I won't argue with your opinion, but how, exactly, does this relate to Dave Nonis?

During his goth phase, he had a tendency to wear chokers...

 

[Kin]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

I won't argue with your opinion, but how, exactly, does this relate to Dave Nonis?

During his goth phase, he had a tendency to wear chokers...

A Dave Nonis goth phase also goes a ways to explaining the Clarkson deal.

 

[Redleaf]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

I won't argue with your opinion, but how, exactly, does this relate to Dave Nonis?

During his goth phase, he had a tendency to wear chokers...

LOL.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

I cannot blame Nonis for this fiasco.  For the most part he has given Carlyle the players to have a decent season, but it was up to Carlyle to maximize the production and output of those players which he has not done.  Did we exect the Leafs to win the cup?  Of course not, but I think most of us expected the Leafs to have a decent season, make the playoffs in a good position and possibly go into the second round depending on who they faced in the first round.  Anything less than that is a complete bust and only Carlyle is to blame, no one else.

 

[Champ Kind]

Leafs are the biggest chokers in the league... they choked last year in the 3rd period of game 7 with a healthy lead... This season they are choking at the worst possible time, it?s very likely they chocked their way out of a playoff spot already.

I won't argue with your opinion, but how, exactly, does this relate to Dave Nonis?

During his goth phase, he had a tendency to wear chokers...

A Dave Nonis goth phase also goes a ways to explaining the Clarkson deal.

How so?  Nonis offered year six and seven of the deal in exchange for Clarkson's soul?

 

[Kin]

How so?  Nonis offered year six and seven of the deal in exchange for Clarkson's soul?

I meant more in the sense of a sort of adolescent nihilism. You know Goths don't have magic powers, right?

 

[Bonsixx]

How so?  Nonis offered year six and seven of the deal in exchange for Clarkson's soul?

I meant more in the sense of a sort of adolescent nihilism. You know Goths don't have magic powers, right?

Or so the conformists would have you believe.

 

[Champ Kind]

How so?  Nonis offered year six and seven of the deal in exchange for Clarkson's soul?

I meant more in the sense of a sort of adolescent nihilism. You know Goths don't have magic powers, right?

Oh, right...yeah, yeah sure I did.  Exactly.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I cannot blame Nonis for this fiasco.  For the most part he has given Carlyle the players to have a decent season, but it was up to Carlyle to maximize the production and output of those players which he has not done.  Did we exect the Leafs to win the cup?  Of course not, but I think most of us expected the Leafs to have a decent season, make the playoffs in a good position and possibly go into the second round depending on who they faced in the first round.  Anything less than that is a complete bust and only Carlyle is to blame, no one else.

Up until 5 games ago Carlyle was right on track to accomplishing what you have asked of him.

Also, saying "Carlyle is to blame , no one else" is really over simplifying the problems of this team no?

 

[Corn Flake]

I cannot blame Nonis for this fiasco.  For the most part he has given Carlyle the players to have a decent season, but it was up to Carlyle to maximize the production and output of those players which he has not done.  Did we exect the Leafs to win the cup?  Of course not, but I think most of us expected the Leafs to have a decent season, make the playoffs in a good position and possibly go into the second round depending on who they faced in the first round.  Anything less than that is a complete bust and only Carlyle is to blame, no one else.

Up until 5 games ago Carlyle was right on track to accomplishing what you have asked of him.

Also, saying "Carlyle is to blame , no one else" is really over simplifying the problems of this team no?

and in the bigger picture, most felt this team was going to be just in or just out of the playoffs.. soo that's again exactly where they are at the moment.  So really they've met the general expectations that are out there.  Only the great optimists thought they would be a whole lot better than this. 

i saw some stuff about calculating how many wins they would have if they kept the shots down to a realistic level and suggesting they would be 20 pts higher in the standings if they did.  Do we really see this team being at 102 points? I mean that would be nice but would suggest they've entered the level of being contenders and reality tells us that's not even close to the truth.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

i saw some stuff about calculating how many wins they would have if they kept the shots down to a realistic level and suggesting they would be 20 pts higher in the standings if they did.  Do we really see this team being at 102 points? I mean that would be nice but would suggest they've entered the level of being contenders and reality tells us that's not even close to the truth.

Where did you see that?

EDIT: If it was on Twitter, and it's what I'm thinking it is, I think it was calculating what the Leafs could have points-wise if they kept shots to the level of the St. Louis Blues.