Development of the Youth

[Corn Flake]

I think Reimer deserves our patience like the other young players do.  He's going to make mistakes and have bad goals - as much a product of inexperience as any other forward or d-man prospect.  He is clearly playing at a level far higher than he was last year.. the confidence level is night and day.  I think he should be given some time to see whether he can become a legit #1 who is almost impossible to beat vs. what he is now, which is solid but will have a gaffe or two per game that can cost the team at times.

The issue for me is much less about the occasional gaffe than it is the lack of the occasional moment of brilliance.

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

Just going through the highlights, he had a bunch of big stops vs. Buffalo that probably didn't get the attention they could have.  A few in the 3rd with Ott and Vanek on the doorstep, basically wide open.  They looked pretty much about as difficult a stop as you can make, even if they weren't big glamorous glove saves (which he had a few of as well).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think Reimer deserves our patience like the other young players do.  He's going to make mistakes and have bad goals - as much a product of inexperience as any other forward or d-man prospect.  He is clearly playing at a level far higher than he was last year.. the confidence level is night and day.  I think he should be given some time to see whether he can become a legit #1 who is almost impossible to beat vs. what he is now, which is solid but will have a gaffe or two per game that can cost the team at times.

The issue for me is much less about the occasional gaffe than it is the lack of the occasional moment of brilliance.

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

Just going through the highlights, he had a bunch of big stops vs. Buffalo that probably didn't get the attention they could have.  A few in the 3rd with Ott and Vanek on the doorstep, basically wide open.  They looked pretty much about as difficult a stop as you can make, even if they weren't big glamorous glove saves (which he had a few of as well).

I thought you could argue he stole the Pittsburgh game.  I know they scored 5 goals so they didn't really need him to shut the door completely to win, but I felt like he made a handful of really big saves when the game was still tight that really set the table for the offense to take over.

 

[Kin]

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

I'd say that in the context I was meaning it it's less about any particular save than it is playing at least the length of an entire game at the level of the goalie that you'd eventually want him to be on a full-time basis. I haven't seen that from Reimer in a long while.

 

[Redleaf]

I think it's a really encouraging sign to see the young players moving up from the farm team after a few years of development and actually establishing themselves as players who will contribute.

So many people blew their brains out over Kadri not being up but he is clearly at a place where he is ready for a pretty significant role on this team.  He was NOT this player in the previous years he was called up.  He has gone from a one dimensional puck hog who thought he could deke out 3 defenders on his own to a much more complete player, far less selfish with the puck and seems to understand how to make it work offensively in the NHL vs. what worked in junior. 

I think Reimer deserves our patience like the other young players do.  He's going to make mistakes and have bad goals - as much a product of inexperience as any other forward or d-man prospect.  He is clearly playing at a level far higher than he was last year.. the confidence level is night and day.  I think he should be given some time to see whether he can become a legit #1 who is almost impossible to beat vs. what he is now, which is solid but will have a gaffe or two per game that can cost the team at times.

Couldn't agree more CF. His lack of NHL experience, compared to how he is handling the crease so far this season is quite remarkable really. Yet he still flies under most people's radar. I think he gets better. Perhaps much better in the coming years.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'd say that in the context I was meaning it it's less about any particular save than it is playing at least the length of an entire game at the level of the goalie that you'd eventually want him to be on a full-time basis. I haven't seen that from Reimer in a long while.

That's my only concern too.

 

[Redleaf]

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

I'd say that in the context I was meaning it it's less about any particular save than it is playing at least the length of an entire game at the level of the goalie that you'd eventually want him to be on a full-time basis. I haven't seen that from Reimer in a long while.

And consistency is really about experience. That's nothing new.

 

[Kin]

And consistency is really about experience. That's nothing new.

But I'm not talking about consistency. The opposite, in fact.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I thought in his last bunch of games last season he played a number that were complete performances (vs Tampa, Ottawa and New Jersey).

 

[Redleaf]

And consistency is really about experience. That's nothing new.

But I'm not talking about consistency. The opposite, in fact.

Well then take the opposite of what I've said and apply that.

 

[Kin]

Well then take the opposite of what I've said and apply that.

So consistency is about inexperience and Reimer sucks and will only get worse? Well, alright, seems a little harsh...

 

[Redleaf]

Well then take the opposite of what I've said and apply that.

So consistency is about inexperience and Reimer sucks and will only get worse? Well, alright, seems a little harsh...

Yeah....never mind...

 

[sneakyray]

I like to use the good ol' eyeball test which tells me that Reimer is calm and makes the big stop when he needs to and the team plays better in front of him.  Scrivens looked nervous, was a DISASTER handling the puck and just looked overall shaky when stopping pucks.

now, Reimer has let in a couple of ugly ones (the grigorenko goal and the OVIE goal, maybe even the crosby goal but I'll personally forgive him that one for a few reasons) the difference is the team is overcoming these bad ones for now and hopefully as he gets going these bad ones will go away.  But even having said all that Reimer has clearly outplayed Scrivens and is this teams #1.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Scrivens is better on the puck than Reimer.

Reimer gave the puck straight to Washington 3 times last night and was shaky on a number of other shoot-ins.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Scrivens is better on the puck than Reimer.

Reimer gave the puck straight to Washington 3 times last night and was shaky on a number of other shoot-ins.

Are we forgetting Scrivens' adventures playing the puck?  Neither are good at it, and I don't think one is any better at this point.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Scrivens is better on the puck than Reimer.

Reimer gave the puck straight to Washington 3 times last night and was shaky on a number of other shoot-ins.

Are we forgetting Scrivens' adventures playing the puck?  Neither are good at it, and I don't think one is any better at this point.

Not at all, Scrivens is bad too, he's just not as bad, he tended not to play the puck right to the opposition as much as James does.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Maybe I'm forgetting (probably), but I don't recall Reimer ever doing that before last night.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Maybe I'm forgetting (probably), but I don't recall Reimer ever doing that before last night.

I kind of remember the same sort of incident as last night, although I don't remember when it was. Could be why he doesn't do it very often. I agree with the above though, neither of our goalies are good with the puck.

 

[Tigger]

Now I'm humming Bad Brains...

Ponce de Leon never found the fountain of youth

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

I'd say that in the context I was meaning it it's less about any particular save than it is playing at least the length of an entire game at the level of the goalie that you'd eventually want him to be on a full-time basis. I haven't seen that from Reimer in a long while.

I'd argue that in back-to-back games this week, Reimer played opposite two of the best goalies in the world (Lundqvist and Miller), and was the better goalie in both games.  Argue it if you will, but if that statement is true, then it speaks to Reimer's ability and/or conversely to the sometimes overlooked imperfections of even the best goalies in the world.

All goalies give up both questionable and bad goals.  The best goalies just give up fewer of them.  I'm not arguing that Reimer is a world-class goalie, but if he can hold his own head-to-head like that, he's pulling his weight, at least so far this season.

 

[nutman]

Not quite sure what qualifies as a moment of brilliance, but he's making some pretty big saves that look rather ordinary at times but are actually pretty tough stops. 

I'd say that in the context I was meaning it it's less about any particular save than it is playing at least the length of an entire game at the level of the goalie that you'd eventually want him to be on a full-time basis. I haven't seen that from Reimer in a long while.

I'd argue that in back-to-back games this week, Reimer played opposite two of the best goalies in the world (Lundqvist and Miller), and was the better goalie in both games.  Argue it if you will, but if that statement is true, then it speaks to Reimer's ability and/or conversely to the sometimes overlooked imperfections of even the best goalies in the world.

All goalies give up both questionable and bad goals.  The best goalies just give up fewer of them.  I'm not arguing that Reimer is a world-class goalie, but if he can hold his own head-to-head like that, he's pulling his weight, at least so far this season.

I agree, but you know its going to rain down on you now, for saying something positive.  ;D