GhostofPotvin29
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Is their record any better or worse during weeknight games compared with Saturday night games at the ACC? Or basically even?
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Nik Pollock said:Bill_Berg said:I think the point Nik was trying to make was that if the crowd at the ACC is quieter and less excited than those in other stadiums, it doesn't seem to affect the chances of the Leafs winning the game.
That is to say, if we had the loudest building in the league, we'd still be in the midst of a long playoff drought.
Exactly. We can go back and forth about whether a louder arena is a more enjoyable experience but if it doesn't have any outcome on the games themselves it's really just a matter of personal preference.
cw said:I've posted about this before. The ACC has a flat roof, sound baffles, some sound absorbing surfaces and a design to help it serve as a concert venue. If too much sound is bouncing around, then the sound suffers for those attending concerts there. Obviously, places like Massey Hall are better acoustically. But the ACC has compromised the loud sporting experience with their acoustics so that it's not a bad place to listen to a concert. .
The Gardens didn't have that and with fewer fans there, those same fans could make it a pretty noisy place. I've attended some pretty loud games at the ACC (loud mainly during playoff games is my impression).
But I think one needs to take what they've done to the acoustics of the ACC into account when considering this issue.
cw said:I've posted about this before. The ACC has a flat roof, sound baffles, some sound absorbing surfaces and a design to help it serve as a concert venue. If too much sound is bouncing around, then the sound quality suffers for those attending concerts there. (the same sound may arrive at different times after it's reflected from a hard surface) Obviously, places like Massey Hall are better acoustically. But the ACC has compromised the loud sporting experience with their acoustics so that it's not a bad place to listen to a concert. .
The Gardens didn't have that and with fewer fans there, those same fans could make it a pretty noisy place. I've attended some pretty loud games at the ACC (loud mainly during playoff games is my impression).
But I think one needs to take what they've done to the acoustics of the ACC into account when considering this issue.
nutman said:well you guys and your quiet at the game attude is what makes the acc such a joke to be in. MLG was never quiet and it was the best place I ever watched games. it made you part of it.
nutman said:Nik Pollock said:Bill_Berg said:I think the point Nik was trying to make was that if the crowd at the ACC is quieter and less excited than those in other stadiums, it doesn't seem to affect the chances of the Leafs winning the game.
That is to say, if we had the loudest building in the league, we'd still be in the midst of a long playoff drought.
Exactly. We can go back and forth about whether a louder arena is a more enjoyable experience but if it doesn't have any outcome on the games themselves it's really just a matter of personal preference.
The noise is a big part of the experience, at any sporting event. like I said if you want a Quiet game sit home or go watch it at a coffee shop. me, the louder the better, it make you feel part of it. I remember lots of games at MLG and the ACC that were loud and crazy, I wouldnt trade that experience for anything. maybe your just getting old and cranky. ;D
Bill_Berg said:nutman said:Nik Pollock said:Bill_Berg said:I think the point Nik was trying to make was that if the crowd at the ACC is quieter and less excited than those in other stadiums, it doesn't seem to affect the chances of the Leafs winning the game.
That is to say, if we had the loudest building in the league, we'd still be in the midst of a long playoff drought.
Exactly. We can go back and forth about whether a louder arena is a more enjoyable experience but if it doesn't have any outcome on the games themselves it's really just a matter of personal preference.
The noise is a big part of the experience, at any sporting event. like I said if you want a Quiet game sit home or go watch it at a coffee shop. me, the louder the better, it make you feel part of it. I remember lots of games at MLG and the ACC that were loud and crazy, I wouldnt trade that experience for anything. maybe your just getting old and cranky. ;D
Sure it makes for a better fan experience, it just doesn't make a difference to the team's win-loss record.
nutman said:Bill_Berg said:nutman said:Nik Pollock said:Bill_Berg said:I think the point Nik was trying to make was that if the crowd at the ACC is quieter and less excited than those in other stadiums, it doesn't seem to affect the chances of the Leafs winning the game.
That is to say, if we had the loudest building in the league, we'd still be in the midst of a long playoff drought.
Exactly. We can go back and forth about whether a louder arena is a more enjoyable experience but if it doesn't have any outcome on the games themselves it's really just a matter of personal preference.
The noise is a big part of the experience, at any sporting event. like I said if you want a Quiet game sit home or go watch it at a coffee shop. me, the louder the better, it make you feel part of it. I remember lots of games at MLG and the ACC that were loud and crazy, I wouldnt trade that experience for anything. maybe your just getting old and cranky. ;D
Sure it makes for a better fan experience, it just doesn't make a difference to the team's win-loss record.
If i'm shelling out the coin to watch a game and treat my wife and kids, I think the fan experience is a must. if I wanted quiet I would take them to a chess match.
nutman said:Ya I do get it, but sporting events have always been loud and a bit wild. it is what it is, and this is what makes for a time to remember. as we all age noise can get to us, some more then others, and this is why some can't enjoy the game. me I will be 80 and still love the noise, that my frend is a big part of the game. and quiet fans are ok but to many ruin it.
nutman said:Bill_Berg said:nutman said:Nik Pollock said:Bill_Berg said:I think the point Nik was trying to make was that if the crowd at the ACC is quieter and less excited than those in other stadiums, it doesn't seem to affect the chances of the Leafs winning the game.
That is to say, if we had the loudest building in the league, we'd still be in the midst of a long playoff drought.
Exactly. We can go back and forth about whether a louder arena is a more enjoyable experience but if it doesn't have any outcome on the games themselves it's really just a matter of personal preference.
The noise is a big part of the experience, at any sporting event. like I said if you want a Quiet game sit home or go watch it at a coffee shop. me, the louder the better, it make you feel part of it. I remember lots of games at MLG and the ACC that were loud and crazy, I wouldnt trade that experience for anything. maybe your just getting old and cranky. ;D
Sure it makes for a better fan experience, it just doesn't make a difference to the team's win-loss record.
If i'm shelling out the coin to watch a game and treat my wife and kids, I think the fan experience is a must. if I wanted quiet I would take them to a chess match.
Bill_Berg said:Sure it makes for a better fan experience, it just doesn't make a difference to the team's win-loss record.
Teams Win % dif H/A NYI 14.6% Columbus 13.4% Atlanta/Jets 7.9% Edmonton 7.3% Toronto 2.4% |
lc9 said:Actually, it doesn't tell us anything. I see what Nik did here, but it really has no relevance in creating a less muddied picture. Comparing different teams with similar points from year to year gives no indication one way or the other. There are way too many variables to even try and glean any information from this.
There is really no way to answer the question Nik proposed, with any statistical significance, unless you compare apples to apples.
Nik Pollock said:Obviously I disagree. I think you need to have some sort of similarity between the clubs in terms of actual ability to establish sort of a baseline competency. With what you've done, you've measured teams that can have differences of 20-25 points from the Leafs in any given year which essentially makes teams like the Columbus as "like" the Leafs last year as the Sharks or Kings.
That'd be fine if the question were some sort of relative difference between home and road winning percentages but in this case you'll be counting teams who have worse home records than the Maple Leafs as having performed better at home than the Maple Leafs. Really, all that does is confuse the issue because the difference in percentages can just as easily be argued to be a result of the Leafs being better on the road than those other teams.
lc9 said:Well I guess my question becomes: Why don't the Leafs play better at home then on the road relative to teams of equal futility over a given stretch. I won't explain myself again, because I am sure you see exactly how I derived my data.
lc9 said:What this does show is that for teams that are bad it seems like they are especially bad on the road, which is why they miss out on the playoffs or a higher seeding. For the Leafs, they seem to play the same on the road as at home, meaning there is little to no home ice advantage, which the data shows there hasn't been for at least 4 seasons. Is this just because this team is poor and plays that same poor style whether home or away? Is it because the Leafs are a better than thought team but can't perform at home? This isn't clear. What is clear though is that poor teams find a way to play better at home, the Leafs don't.