Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet

[Highlander]

I have only pointed out that he had the right to say what he said and now he has paid for what he said and been fired.

Nowhere in the charter of rights and freedoms do you have the right to say whatever you want as the host of a TV show. Many people have made that point to you, you've ignored it. That's why people are doubting your motives.

Nik I have no motives, I have pointed out several times that Sportsnet knew Don was a loose cannon and he should have had a censor assigned to him or without agreement should not have renewed his contract.  They are complicite in what happened.

 

[Kin]

They are complicite in what happened.

Ok? They apologized and fired him. They showed contrition and acted to correct the problem. That's what a responsible organization does to make amends for wrongdoing.

 

[ZBBM]

Personally, I'd like to see more of a group discussion maybe with a few coaches. And then rotate the lineup each year as guys get hired and fired.

Yeah, a Satellite Hotstove type set-up (so not everyone needs to fly to Toronto) with a few coaches would be neat.

Honest question. Does anyone actually watch or care about intermission on HNIC?

I do.  I love interperiod blather.  What I "care" about is that it is informative and reasonably entertaining.  It often isn't, but sometimes it is.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Turns out it was not Sportnet that fired Cherry really.  Big business did. Labatt's owns Budweiser who sponsor's Coaches Corner.  So they say to Sportsnet, no more money for you while Don is there.
Can't have what Cherry said affecting sales of Bud.

Well I guess I have had my last Budweiser. This Bud is definitely not for me.

Haha, it's crappy beer anyway!

 

[Peter D.]

Honest question. Does anyone actually watch or care about intermission on HNIC?

Back in the day, Coach's Corner and Satellite Hotstove were appointment intermission viewing. 

Now we have been blessed with puck walls (RIP) and the likes of Damien Cox and Chris Johnston as intermission opiners.  So, no. 

 

[Zee]

Honest question. Does anyone actually watch or care about intermission on HNIC?

Back in the day, Coach's Corner and Satellite Hotstove were appointment intermission viewing. 

Now we have been blessed with puck walls (RIP) and the likes of Damien Cox and Chris Johnston as intermission opiners.  So, no.

We need Peter Puck back

 

[Highlander]

They are complicite in what happened.

Ok? They apologized and fired him. They showed contrition and acted to correct the problem. That's what a responsible organization does to make amends for wrongdoing.

But with all the blather it may have been better if he wasn?t allowed to say it in the first place.

 

[bustaheims]

But with all the blather it may have been better if he wasn?t allowed to say it in the first place.

It shouldn't be required that a television network have a system in place to ensure that those types of comments don't get broadcast. They shouldn't have to dictate what's allowed to be said and what's not allowed to be said when it comes to pretty basic "you shouldn't say that" kind of stuff - and making disparaging comments about immigrants, regardless of the intent behind it, is a pretty basic no-no. It's up to the personalities to not do so in the first place, or face the consequences.

 

[Kin]

But with all the blather it may have been better if he wasn?t allowed to say it in the first place.

I'm sure you think that's a very interesting point you're making but nobody has said Sportsnet is a flawless organization that always has made the best possible decisions. Just that they did the right thing here in their reaction to this issue by apologizing and moving forward.

Seriously, you know we can read what you're writing, right? You can't go in one breath from promoting drivel like the Sun article and declare you're boycotting Budweiser for them wanting Cherry gone to then saying you have no motive here outside of some nonsensical concept of what free speech is. You're clearly on a side here and it's hilariously transparent.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Cherry interview:

?I think the closest I?ll come to apologizing is I wish I had used different words,? Cherry told Global News.

?I should have said everybody. If I had to do it over again, I would have said everybody.?

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[AvroArrow]

The slippery slope of combatting racism, discrimination, etc?

Avro, why don't you read the article by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun this morning..slippery slope indeed.  I really don't believe Don is a racist anymore than you and I are.  He just wants everyone to respect the Poppy as a symbol of all the freedom we have today. Was he out of line, yes we all agree on what he said and how he said it.

I don't have to read his article.  Cherry is exactly what Carlton just said he is, and has been for years.

 

[Highlander]

But with all the blather it may have been better if he wasn't allowed to say it in the first place.

I'm sure you think that's a very interesting point you're making but nobody has said Sportsnet is a flawless organization that always has made the best possible decisions. Just that they did the right thing here in their reaction to this issue by apologizing and moving forward.

Seriously, you know we can read what you're writing, right? You can't go in one breath from promoting drivel like the Sun article and declare you're boycotting Budweiser for them wanting Cherry gone to then saying you have no motive here outside of some nonsensical concept of what free speech is. You're clearly on a side here and it's hilariously transparent.

I think I made my point about free speech yesterday.  This is the problem Nik, everyone has to be on a side. I work in media, always have, and everything that has reached the public in my domain has had to go through company censors before it is released.  Everything or it doesn't go out.  Cherry has always been a loose cannon (for the millionth time). 
In knowing this Sportsnet should have had a censor, has that not proven out in what has happened and would have made a difference?  Cherry should have not been allowed on air without some assessment of what he was going to say.  He must have had notes or was that completely extemporaneous?  If he was completely off the cuff then a censor may have not made a difference but in any professional media company, someone like Cherry would have been red flagged. I don't think a bright guy like you Nik would believe any different. 

While you think I am in league with Cherry's message, I am completely against bigotry of any kind.
My parents adopted a black child when I was a young boy and to be completely honest I grew up much closer to him than my real birth brother.  I have experienced real bigotry with him by my side. Even got in a few scraps in my day.

What I find is our society is being homogenized where any personality of any kind is being scrubbed out.
So go ahead and label Nik, its what you are good at.

 

[AvroArrow]

Freedom of expression DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.

 

[Kin]

I think I made my point about free speech yesterday.

Yes, and it betrayed a complete and total lack of understanding as to what free speech is, either as a charter right or a concept. Cherry was fired by a private company. This has nothing to do with anyone's charter rights.

Cherry should have not been allowed on air without some assessment of what he was going to say.

Again, who cares? The issue is whether or not they reacted appropriately this week.

What I find is our society is being homogenized where any personality of any kind is being scrubbed out.

Ok boomer.

 

[Highlander]

The slippery slope of combatting racism, discrimination, etc?

Avro, why don't you read the article by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun this morning..slippery slope indeed.  I really don't believe Don is a racist anymore than you and I are.  He just wants everyone to respect the Poppy as a symbol of all the freedom we have today. Was he out of line, yes we all agree on what he said and how he said it.

I don't have to read his article.  Cherry is exactly what Carlton just said he is, and has been for years.

OK that is fairly open minded....not.  What is below has nothing to do with Don Cherry by the way.

You see unless you are ready to go to the other side of any point of view and look at it from a 360 degree perspective then we hold onto whatever our beliefs are (which either may be wrong or right) with any introspection or investigation. 
Without mentioning the genre of one of my beliefs, I was very against a certain practice, I thought it was at best cruel and at worst savage. In my travels I met an expert in the field of the genre that concerned my beliefs.  Over the course of two hours, I was educated in why this practice existed, the falsehoods I had heard and learned that my belief was indeed misinformed and even though it was a lifelong belief, I let it go, I was misinformed.
A colleague of mine was even more against the practice in this genre and was so involved in her belief that it was indeed the "truth", that no new light could be shined on the subject.  I suggested she speak to the expert in question, that she at least hear the persons story on the subject, to look at the other 180 degree of the situation.  She refused saying she had nothing more to learn on the subject and that her mind could never be changed.  I said to myself "that is fairly open minded".

Now this has nothing to do with Cherry, bigotry or hatred, it was related to a different subject altogether. 
From this experience above it has taught me to question many of my long term beliefs, it has opened me to at least listen to any other points of view contrary to my own.  If it makes sense I can balance the new information or if the new information is repugnant or otherwise false I can at least say I was open to the trying to examine the other side of the story.

What Social Media is doing is lumping everything into my side or your side, socialist or capitalist, your bad and I'm good, these are the real roots of where hatred and intolerance reside, are nurtured and grow.  Social Media is not uniting people, it is driving them apart as there is no tolerance at all.

Again this is nothing to do with Don Cherry and his old man rant. 

There was a great program on Frontline the other night on PBS on Artificial Intelligence and what it means to our future.  Yes many great things will be reaped from it, but there are a lot of unknowns as well.  The conjecture is in 15 years 54% of the jobs humans are doing right now will no longer exist, replaced by AI.  However and this is where it already scary is that China has so many cameras in its city's they can virtually recognize everyone and what they are doing, what they are basically thinking by the actions they are taking. They are selling their technology to other totalitarian states to manipulate the dissidents in their midst.  In other words AI is being used to perpetuate the existing norms.  Something I didn't know is the leading politician in China, has just passed a vote where he can be in power for life (where before they did have terms of office), sort of sounds like Putin doesn't it?
Why do you think everyone protesting in Hong Kong are wearing masks, to avoid the facial recognition technology that is everywhere. 

 

[Highlander]

Freedom of expression DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Yes it does if you are ready to pay the consequences for what you say. This is truly what freedom of speech means. Cherry paid the consequences and it has opened a whole great topic  for us to get involved with. Thanks Don.

 

[Highlander]

I think I made my point about free speech yesterday.

Yes, and it betrayed a complete and total lack of understanding as to what free speech is, either as a charter right or a concept. Cherry was fired by a private company. This has nothing to do with anyone's charter rights.

Cherry should have not been allowed on air without some assessment of what he was going to say.

Again, who cares? The issue is whether or not they reacted appropriately this week.

What I find is our society is being homogenized where any personality of any kind is being scrubbed out.

Ok boomer.

Mr. Boomer to you Nik, as my good friend used to say, "everyone is open to their own wrong opinion" and seeing you are never wrong, I guess you have already achieved Godhead status.

 

[Kin]

It's like if Grampa Simpson wasn't funny.

 

[Zee]

I think I made my point about free speech yesterday.

Yes, and it betrayed a complete and total lack of understanding as to what free speech is, either as a charter right or a concept. Cherry was fired by a private company. This has nothing to do with anyone's charter rights.

Cherry should have not been allowed on air without some assessment of what he was going to say.

Again, who cares? The issue is whether or not they reacted appropriately this week.

What I find is our society is being homogenized where any personality of any kind is being scrubbed out.

Ok boomer.

Mr. Boomer to you Nik, as my good friend used to say, "everyone is open to their own wrong opinion" and seeing you are never wrong, I guess you have already achieved Godhead status.

This reminds me that there?s 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. This has nothing to do with anything other than to plug my favourite Extreme CD

 

[AvroArrow]

OK that is fairly open minded....not.  What is below has nothing to do with Don Cherry by the way.
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I'm not reading all your nonsense.  You're trying to defend Cherry as not being racist, bigoted, discriminatory, etc.  He is and has been for decades.  End of story.