Drouin to Montreal for Sergachev

[CarltonTheBear]

I'd love that kinda of deal for our triplets post ELC.

Except our triplets all put up more points in their first full season than Drouin has. It's gonna get ugly with those contracts

I don't think Nylander and Marner would get that much more than that. Yes, they both outproduced him in their rookie seasons but we all know Drouin didn't get nearly the same opportunities he did. Drouin's P/60 was actually a fair bit higher than Nylander's and comparable to Marner's. I think if you're looking ahead they all project to be fairly similar players, and that's what you're paying for post-ELC.

With that said, I hope they try to get Nylander's extension done this summer. Try to do $5.5-6mil for 6 years. That'd be great because you could probably convince Marner to sign an identical contract next summer regardless of what happens during the season. Then add some dough to Matthews' deal.

 

[Zee]

I'd love that kinda of deal for our triplets post ELC.

Except our triplets all put up more points in their first full season than Drouin has. It's gonna get ugly with those contracts

I don't think Nylander and Marner would get that much more than that. Yes, they both outproduced him in their rookie seasons but we all know Drouin didn't get nearly the same opportunities he did. Drouin's P/60 was actually a fair bit higher than Nylander's and comparable to Marner's. I think if you're looking ahead they all project to be fairly similar players, and that's what you're paying for post-ELC.

With that said, I hope they try to get Nylander's extension done this summer. Try to do $5.5-6mil for 6 years. That'd be great because you could probably convince Marner to sign an identical contract next summer regardless of what happens during the season. Then add some dough to Matthews' deal.

According to this, Drouin's P/60 is 2.46, Nylander is 2.82 and Marner is 2.83

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-points-per-60-min-leaders/2016/

Just looking at points per game, Drouin has 95 in 164 games played. Nylander and Marner are better than that too (given less games though)

 

[herman]

From HockeyAnalysis at 5v5:

Player Name	Team	G/60	Points/60	PrimaryPts/60	Shots/60
MATTHEWS, AUSTON	Toronto	1.5	2.12	1.91	11.17
MARNER, MITCH	Toronto	0.86	2.13	1.61	7.13
NYLANDER, WILLIAM	Toronto	0.63	1.71	1.14	7.93
DROUIN, JONATHAN	Tampa Bay	0.54	1.44	1.08	8.06

 

[CarltonTheBear]

According to this, Drouin's P/60 is 2.46, Nylander is 2.82 and Marner is 2.83

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-points-per-60-min-leaders/2016/

Just looking at points per game, Drouin has 95 in 164 games played. Nylander and Marner are better than that too (given less games though)

Sorry, I specifically meant their P/60's in their respective rookie seasons. Nylander: 1.71, Drouin 1.95, Marner 2.13. All numbers even-strength, which is generally how P/60 is viewed. I just wanted to show that even though Nylander and Marner almost doubled Drouin's rookie season point total, their rookie seasons were closer than it seemed.

This past season was really the first where he was actually given a legit top-6 role, and because of Tampa's injury struggles he often had to carry his own line by himself. He scored 53 points while his three most common 5-on-5 linemates were Killorn, Filppula, and Boyle. That's pretty impressive.

I admit if you just look at the stats and see what Nylander and Marner did in their rookie seasons and put it up against what Drouin has done in his first 3 years, it looks very positive for our guys. But I still think all three of their upsides are pretty similar. Montreal isn't paying Drouin to be a 50-point player for the next 6 years.

 

[Zee]

According to this, Drouin's P/60 is 2.46, Nylander is 2.82 and Marner is 2.83

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-points-per-60-min-leaders/2016/

Just looking at points per game, Drouin has 95 in 164 games played. Nylander and Marner are better than that too (given less games though)

Sorry, I specifically meant their P/60's in their respective rookie seasons. Nylander: 1.71, Drouin 1.95, Marner 2.13. All numbers even-strength, which is generally how P/60 is viewed. I just wanted to show that even though Nylander and Marner almost doubled Drouin's rookie season point total, their rookie seasons were closer than it seemed.

This past season was really the first where he was actually given a legit top-6 role, and because of Tampa's injury struggles he often had to carry his own line by himself. He scored 53 points while his three most common 5-on-5 linemates were Killorn, Filppula, and Boyle. That's pretty impressive.

I admit if you just look at the stats and see what Nylander and Marner did in their rookie seasons and put it up against what Drouin has done in his first 3 years, it looks very positive for our guys. But I still think all three of their upsides are pretty similar. Montreal isn't paying Drouin to be a 50-point player for the next 6 years.

It's hardly fair to compare Drouin's 70 rookie games to Nylander who only got into 22.  Sure 1.71 in 22 games is lower than 1.95 in 70, but c'mon, Nylander barely got a chance to get going in only 22 games.

Also I'm not going to debate whether 5 on 5 points mean more than PP points, but to me points are points whether you get them even strength or on the PP.

So while they may be comparable, I still think Nylander and Marner will get a higher salary than Drouin, especially if they continue to build  upon the seasons they just had.  It would be in the Leafs best interest to work out Nylander's deal this summer before he potentially has another great season.

 

[herman]

I think Pastrnak's upcoming contract will be more telling of Nylander and Marner's (even though he broke into the lineup D+0). I think Nylander and Marner's will both be north of Drouin's. I'd be very happy with 6x6.

What's the downside of going 8 years right away though?

 

[Zee]

I think Pastrnak's upcoming contract will be more telling of Nylander and Marner's (even though he broke into the lineup D+0). I think Nylander and Marner's will both be north of Drouin's. I'd be very happy with 6x6.

What's the downside of going 8 years right away though?

Not sure about all the decisions that would go into 8 years or not.  Buying some of the UFA years and skipping the RFAs altogether..what's that worth?  Only risk on the Leafs side would be if the players aren't as good as we think they are.

For me, they're cornerstones of the club going forward, so I'm 100% behind locking up all 3.

 

[herman]

Not sure about all the decisions that would go into 8 years or not.  Buying some of the UFA years and skipping the RFAs altogether..what's that worth?  Only risk on the Leafs side would be if the players aren't as good as we think they are.

For me, they're cornerstones of the club going forward, so I'm 100% behind locking up all 3.

The agents might not want to go 8 right away, but for the Leafs, why wouldn't we take them right to 29-30 and then let them make hay elsewhere in their declining years?

or is it better to 6x6-8(Matthews) them to 26-27 and then extend at max term at a higher hit?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It's hardly fair to compare Drouin's 70 rookie games to Nylander who only got into 22.  Sure 1.71 in 22 games is lower than 1.95 in 70, but c'mon, Nylander barely got a chance to get going in only 22 games.

Sorry, again, more confusion. It was 1.71 this past season. He was still considered a rookie in it so I consider it his rookie season.

Also I'm not going to debate whether 5 on 5 points mean more than PP points, but to me points are points whether you get them even strength or on the PP.

I don't necessarily disagree, I just wanted to point out that 9 times out of 10 when people discuss P/60 it's using 5-on-5 numbers only. And the 1 other time it happens it often just causes this confusion.

Since PP points were brought up, all 3 of them were among the league leaders in powerplay points this past season. Nylander had 27, Drouin 25, Marner 21.

So while they may be comparable, I still think Nylander and Marner will get a higher salary than Drouin, especially if they continue to build  upon the seasons they just had.  It would be in the Leafs best interest to work out Nylander's deal this summer before he potentially has another great season.

Again, I don't disagree. But I think Montreal got pretty lucky with this contract, much like how we got lucky with Kadri when he had his contract year. If Stamkos stays healthy and Drouin got to play with an actually good centre at 5-on-5 then he's probably close to 70 points this season. I think if Nylander signs now then 6x6 is a pretty good guess.

 

[ZBBM]

How Shananan/Lamoriello/Dubas can be just sitting there this morning while Bergevin is essentially handing them their lunch in the Team Improvement Race is simply beyond belief.  Do something, for God's sake -- anything!!!

 

[bustaheims]

How Shananan/Lamoriello/Dubas can be just sitting there this morning while Bergevin is essentially handing them their lunch in the Team Improvement Race is simply beyond belief.  Do something, for God's sake -- anything!!!

Did he, though? If Radulov and/or Markov don't re-sign, have they really improved?

 

[herman]

Lol if Drouin was what you wanted to improve the Leafs.

 

[Zee]

How Shananan/Lamoriello/Dubas can be just sitting there this morning while Bergevin is essentially handing them their lunch in the Team Improvement Race is simply beyond belief.  Do something, for God's sake -- anything!!!

Is this sarcasm?  I can't tell anymore on the interwebs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

How Shananan/Lamoriello/Dubas can be just sitting there this morning while Bergevin is essentially handing them their lunch in the Team Improvement Race is simply beyond belief.  Do something, for God's sake -- anything!!!

Is this sarcasm?  I can't tell anymore on the interwebs.

It has to be. Everybody knows that Dubas isn't allowed to make decisions.

 

[Zee]

It's hardly fair to compare Drouin's 70 rookie games to Nylander who only got into 22.  Sure 1.71 in 22 games is lower than 1.95 in 70, but c'mon, Nylander barely got a chance to get going in only 22 games.

Sorry, again, more confusion. It was 1.71 this past season. He was still considered a rookie in it so I consider it his rookie season.

Also I'm not going to debate whether 5 on 5 points mean more than PP points, but to me points are points whether you get them even strength or on the PP.

I don't necessarily disagree, I just wanted to point out that 9 times out of 10 when people discuss P/60 it's using 5-on-5 numbers only. And the 1 other time it happens it often just causes this confusion.

Since PP points were brought up, all 3 of them were among the league leaders in powerplay points this past season. Nylander had 27, Drouin 25, Marner 21.

So while they may be comparable, I still think Nylander and Marner will get a higher salary than Drouin, especially if they continue to build  upon the seasons they just had.  It would be in the Leafs best interest to work out Nylander's deal this summer before he potentially has another great season.

Again, I don't disagree. But I think Montreal got pretty lucky with this contract, much like how we got lucky with Kadri when he had his contract year. If Stamkos stays healthy and Drouin got to play with an actually good centre at 5-on-5 then he's probably close to 70 points this season. I think if Nylander signs now then 6x6 is a pretty good guess.

I agree with you.  Montreal got a good deal, and hopefully the Leafs can work out something fair for Nylander and the Leafs going forward.  I know every player wants to maximize his earnings, but trying to sell him on the "home town discount" and keeping a young team together to win a championship could go a long way to the Leafs building a winner.  I've seen other teams able to lock up players on seemingly less than market value contracts, so let's hope the Leafs can knock one out of the park with the Nylander deal which would set the stage for Eminem next summer.

 

[ZBBM]

How Shananan/Lamoriello/Dubas can be just sitting there this morning while Bergevin is essentially handing them their lunch in the Team Improvement Race is simply beyond belief.  Do something, for God's sake -- anything!!!

Is this sarcasm?  I can't tell anymore on the interwebs.

It has to be. Everybody knows that Dubas isn't allowed to make decisions.

I'm just bored waiting for exciting things to happen, kindly go back to ignoring me and carry on with your serious analysis.