Explosions at finish line of Boston Marathon

[OrangeBlack]

As for the Islam faith exposure, it happens over & over & over on the news.  How are we not expected to develop some sort of stereotypes or prejudices?

Its easy, don't be a bigoted jerk.

It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Only if you are stupid.

I'm just telling you the way it is.  Most of what we hear about Muslims is negative stuff.  The poster to who I replied to is aware of that sentiment, that's why he mentioned it in his post. 

 

[Deebo]

As for the Islam faith exposure, it happens over & over & over on the news.  How are we not expected to develop some sort of stereotypes or prejudices?

Its easy, don't be a bigoted jerk.

It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Only if you are stupid.

I'm just telling you the way it is.  Most of what we hear about Muslims is negative stuff.  The poster to who I replied to is aware of that sentiment, that's why he mentioned it in his post. 

"The way it is" is that stupid bigoted jerks buy into the negative stuff they hear an apply it to the entire faith. If you aren't a stupid bigoted jerk, you should be able to realize that it is a tiny tiny minority that carry out atrocities like this.

 

[OrangeBlack]

From what I've read, they felt alienated in the North American culture.  Ironically, I think they just made the situation worst.  The fact is, this is the only exposure to the Islam faith many will see.

How did they feel alienated?  From everything I've read, there were alot of people that liked the brothers, & were shocked by what happened....especially shocked that the younger brother was involved.  There were many accounts that he had alot of friends & lived a normal college life. 

As for the Islam faith exposure, it happens over & over & over on the news.  How are we not expected to develop some sort of stereotypes or prejudices?  It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Given that virtually all such atrocities are committed by men, you should probably also be prejudiced against men.

Shrimp, this is a little different than math class where you are talking about sets & subsets of numbers/groups.  I apologize for sidetracking this thread into a debate about Muslims.  I just wanted to reinforce a sentiment that the poster had suggested regarding the portrayal of Islam in the news & it's effect on the American public.  That's conversation for a different thread.  Sorry....let's get back on track.

 

[Bender]

I really don't understand the conspiracy theories surrounding this. You simply don't get shredded by police unless you pose a clear and present danger, and yet the conspiracies remain that they didn't do it and online vigilantes have decided to take part in a process they probably shouldn't have much involvement in, although there are some odd objections coming up.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/cult-of-tsarnaev/

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Anyone have any opinions on this?

 

[TML fan]

I really don't understand the conspiracy theories surrounding this. You simply don't get shredded by police unless you pose a clear and present danger, and yet the conspiracies remain that they didn't do it and online vigilantes have decided to take part in a process they probably shouldn't have much involvement in, although there are some odd objections coming up.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/cult-of-tsarnaev/

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Anyone have any opinions on this?

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[bustaheims]

With events like this one, no matter how much evidence there is for what's being reported, there will always been a group of people who believe we're being lied to and that it's all some conspiracy/set up/false flag/whatever they want to call it. Some people need to believe that the media and the government are lying to us or have a hidden agenda.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

As for the Islam faith exposure, it happens over & over & over on the news.  How are we not expected to develop some sort of stereotypes or prejudices?

Its easy, don't be a bigoted jerk.

It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Only if you are stupid.

I'm just telling you the way it is.  Most of what we hear about Muslims is negative stuff.  The poster to who I replied to is aware of that sentiment, that's why he mentioned it in his post.

Oh, okay, I get it.  I agree, the portrayal is negative far too often, and people are shallow enough in the perceptions to develop such prejudices.  My feeling is that in many places it's become virtually socially acceptable to be bigoted against Muslims.

 

[OrangeBlack]

Just heard on the radio that he is not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant" which I believe is a big mistake.  We lost out on a chance for some long term interogation.

 

[bustaheims]

Just heard on the radio that he is not going to be tried as an "enemy combatant" which I believe is a big mistake.  We lost out on a chance for some long term interogation.

That's only useful if he has legitimate ties to terrorist organizations. They may have determined that he doesn't, in which case, they're not going to get anything useful from interrogating him. From the sounds of things, he may have spent a few months training with one of the groups, but he certainly doesn't appear to be in deep enough to really know anything.

 

[cw]

Here's the FBI's write up on Miranda rights
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/february2011/legal_digest
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The "public safety" exception to Miranda is a powerful tool with a modern application for law enforcement. When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial. Once the questions turn from those designed to resolve the concern for safety to questions designed solely to elicit incriminating statements, the questioning falls outside the scope of the exception and within the traditional rules of Miranda.

In general, I don't see a big problem with that.

Regardless, like any accused, he has the option of saying nothing.

Reportedly, they already confessed to the bombing of the marathon to the guy they carjacked.

In this particular case, I don't think they'll need any testimony from him to get a substantial conviction so it's not likely to be much of an issue should it go to trial.

Miranda or no Miranda, he is definitely getting convicted.  The important part is getting maximum information from him.  Therefore, he should be declared an "enemy combatant"...giving authorities unlimited time & latitude in questioning him.  It doesn't matter that he is a US citizen, he is no different than a foreign terrorist.

They can still knock themselves out asking him questions (if he'll answer them in a meaningful way - which may be doubtful) without giving him a Miranda warning. What he says under those circumstances just won't be admissible in court - once they're past the public safety window.

But from the affidavit
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/marathon-complaint.pdf
and reported evidence, I don't think they'll need what he has to say to get a conviction. They've got videos, the hat & coat, pressure cooker and bomb components he tossed at police matched those used at the marathon, etc.

The larger question to me is if a US citizen looked just like the bomber and was wrongfully arrested. Under enemy combatant status, how would that US citizen defend themselves from Guantanamo Bay? I think they have to be careful that wanton use of enemy combatant status doesn't trample all over the US Constitution and the legal rights of US citizens and error on the side of caution.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Latest developments surrounding the younger brother of the deceased elder Tsarnaev brother...

The surviving Chechen brother suspected in the bloody Boston marathon bombings is reportedly awake and communicating with investigators in writing amid speculation that he and his deceased sibling had plotted further terrorist attacks...the reports have not been officially verified.

Earlier in the day, officials said the 19-year-old Tsarnaev was too seriously wounded to be questioned. They also said there was no indication yet that Tsarnaev and his now-deceased older brother, Tamerlan, were part of a broader terrorist conspiracy.

What did the FBI know and what has transpired since then...

The FBI has acknowledged it questioned Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the request of the Russian government, but concluded he was not a threat and had no links to terrorist organizations.

Since then, however, Tamerlan Tsarnaev travelled back to the Russian regions of Dagestan and Chechnya during a six-month trip last year. Friends and family members have said publicly that the elder Tsarnaev brother returned from that trip noticeably different, with a much more religious mindset.

Federal authorities are now looking into that foray to determine whether Tsarnaev had any contact with Chechen extremists in the region. The major active group there _ the Caucasus Emirate, a small band of fierce Islamic insurgents _ has denied any involvement in the bombings.

The Caucasian Mujahadeen are not carrying out attacks against the United States of America,? the group said in a statement.

?We are at war with Russia, which is responsible not only for the occupation of the Caucasus but unbelievable crimes against Muslims.

?Nonetheless, another Republican legislator said Sunday he suspected the elder Tsarnaev was radicalized during that trip to his homeland and was ?very probably? trained by Islamic extremists.

On the issue of Miranda Rights for the surviving suspect...

The surviving Tsarnaev brother was to be interrogated without authorities advising him of his right to remain silent and to obtain a lawyer, a warning typically given to crime suspects in the United States.Called Miranda rights, authorities can revoke them if they deem the suspect poses a continuing threat to public safety.

In Tsarnaev?s case, that likely means investigators want to ensure there are no unexploded devices or accomplices still at large.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/21/boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-awake-answering-questions/