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Potvin29 said:
Nylander with more points in this game than Ritchie has in 28.  I bet Don Cherry will re-consider, he's pretty rational.

Eeesh. I didn't realize he's even played that many games in the NHL this season. 2 points in 28 games. His numbers have been great in the AHL though, but he should clearly still be there. I know Anaheim's winning and all but do they not have anyone else to play on their 4th line?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Potvin29 said:
Nylander with more points in this game than Ritchie has in 28.  I bet Don Cherry will re-consider, he's pretty rational.

Eeesh. I didn't realize he's even played that many games in the NHL this season. 2 points in 28 games. His numbers have been great in the AHL though, but he should clearly still be there. I know Anaheim's winning and all but do they not have anyone else to play on their 4th line?

Yeah I don't get it either.  I have a soft spot for Ritchie (due to his time with the Soo) so I was only half-serious, but I can't ever see him impact the game the same way Nylander will.  His AHL stats surprised me though.
 
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. 

So if you ever throw a hit you need to be prepared to fight?
 
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. I do not like the diving or turtling, he needs to be ready to scrap. I am sorry if I offend anyone. He is a baby, I am tired of that crap.

I'm not offended; please enlighten us with how one ought to handle that situation.
 
herman said:
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. I do not like the diving or turtling, he needs to be ready to scrap. I am sorry if I offend anyone. He is a baby, I am tired of that crap.

I'm not offended; please enlighten us with how one ought to handle that situation.

Do you believe that turtling is good for the sport?

IMO is un sport man like

no one like it when Claud Lemieux, and I don't like when Kadri does. IMO
 
freer said:
herman said:
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. I do not like the diving or turtling, he needs to be ready to scrap. I am sorry if I offend anyone. He is a baby, I am tired of that crap.

I'm not offended; please enlighten us with how one ought to handle that situation.

Do you believe that turtling is good for the sport?

IMO is un sport man like

no one like it when Claud Lemieux, and I don't like when Kadri does. IMO

So what would be an appropriate response if you were in Kadri's skates?
 
herman said:
freer said:
herman said:
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. I do not like the diving or turtling, he needs to be ready to scrap. I am sorry if I offend anyone. He is a baby, I am tired of that crap.

I'm not offended; please enlighten us with how one ought to handle that situation.

Do you believe that turtling is good for the sport?

IMO is un sport man like

no one like it when Claud Lemieux, and I don't like when Kadri does. IMO

So what would be an appropriate response if you were in Kadri's skates?

I sure as wouldn't drop like I was shot.
 
This Nylander youngster is surely exciting.  He's fast becoming a fan and a team favourite:

He most impressed his head coach though by his efforts in areas outside the offensive zone. Mike Babcock liked the way he backchecked, the way he fished pucks free from opponents, as well as his 80 per cent success rate (4-5) on defensive-zone faceoffs.

"The other stuff, we know that he has that," Babcock said.

"Confidence, for sure," teammate Nazem Kadri said of Nylander?s apparent growth. "If you get on a roll and start scoring in this league you start to become more confident, more poised with the puck and really start to not doubt yourself and not doubt that scoring touch. He?s got that. He?s gifted in that sense."

"He?s the kind of player who likes the puck on his stick and he likes to hold onto it and make plays and in order to do that you have to have confidence," said linemate Zach Hyman, who also scored his fourth NHL goal in the win.


Babcock believes Nylander?s drive to continually improve will determine how high he ultimately flies down the line.

"What?s going to decide that for him is just how much drive he has to do all the little things right, to train, to eat, to live. But he?s got ability and seems to be comfortable with himself. He?s a kid, let?s not kids ourselves. It takes time in this league to be a man and become a player."



http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/william-nylanders-first-three-point-game-leads-leafs-past-flames/
 
Nik the Trik said:
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. 

So if you ever throw a hit you need to be prepared to fight?

Shut up and fight me.

I seriously hate this notion that a clean body check = someone gets to skate all the way across the ice throwing punches. 
 
freer said:
I sure as wouldn't drop like I was shot.

I'm sure you'd feel no pain from being slashed in the back of each leg. It certainly doesn't hurt to have someone swing their stick into a part of your body that doesn't have much in the way of protection.
 
Nazem Kadri has more NHL fights than Josh Jooris and Johnny Gaudreau have combined. Kadri would have absolutely defended himself if instead of getting slashed twice from behind, put into a headlock while he was on his knees, and then getting punches thrown to the back of his head while he was down Jooris just challenged him to a fight mano-a-mano. This is hockey not professional wrestling. The only players that embarrassed the NHL in that situation were Jooris and Gaudreau.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nazem Kadri has more NHL fights than Josh Jooris and Johnny Gaudreau have combined. Kadri would have absolutely defended himself if instead of getting slashed twice from behind, put into a headlock while he was on his knees, and then getting punches thrown to the back of his head while he was down Jooris just challenged him to a fight mano-a-mano. This is hockey not professional wrestling. The only players that embarrassed the NHL in that situation were Jooris and Gaudreau.

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freer, you're right in that this altercation has no place in the game. We have different interpretations of the events though.

Here's what appears to happen:
1) Kadri lays a clean hit on Gaudreau
2) Jooris skates up to Kadri to defend his skilled teammate, making eye and verbal contact with Kadri indicating his displeasure. Jooris swings for the back of Kadri's leg with a slash. Kadri gets his arms up ready to tussle.
3) Uninjured, but mad, Gaudreau gets up and approaches Kadri from his blindside and gives a hard slash to Kadri's other ankle, causing him to collapse dramatically.
4) Jooris takes advantage of Kadri's prone position to put him into a headlock while he throws off his gloves to punch Kadri in the back of the head repeatedly.
5) A scrum ensues where Michalek and Marincin try to get in to defend Kadri.
6) Refs restore order by separating the offending players
7) Gaudreau mimes Kadri's defensive technique derisively

Penalties: - Gaudreau (slashing); Jooris (roughing); Kadri (unsportsmanlike conduct)

Here's what I would like to have seen:

1) Kadri lays a clean hit on Gaudreau
2) Uninjured, but mad, Gaudreau gets up and rejoins the play

OR

Kadri is secretly a street fighter, and sensing the impending two-pronged attack, lifts his leg to dodge Gaudreau's stick while socking him in the face with his left fist, and takes Jooris head on with a right jab and left hook combo. Because that'd be the hockey thing to do.

OR

All of that actually happens, but Gaudreau gets the minor for slashing and a minor for unsportsmanlike conduct; Jooris gets the minor for instigator, a major for fighting, and a game misconduct.

46.2 Aggressor ? The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player who continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling combatant.

A player must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no longer in a position to defend himself.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and suspension purposes.

A player who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game misconduct penalty (aggressor).

A player shouldn't have to defend a legal hit that does not injure a player, just because it looked and sounded big. Legal hits happen all the time as part of regular game flow. Jooris clearly initiates a fight that doesn't come to full fruition (because Gaudreau already took Kadri down), and continued the one-sided fisticuffs.
 
freer said:
herman said:
freer said:
I just watched the interview from Kadri. IMO if you are going to throw body checks like that. You had better be ready for someone to stand up for they team mates. I do not like the diving or turtling, he needs to be ready to scrap. I am sorry if I offend anyone. He is a baby, I am tired of that crap.

I'm not offended; please enlighten us with how one ought to handle that situation.

Do you believe that turtling is good for the sport?

IMO is un sport man like

no one like it when Claud Lemieux, and I don't like when Kadri does. IMO
To me, it wasn't so much "turtling" as it was "collapsing from being slashed in the back of both legs at the same time."  :-\
 
herman said:
freer, you're right in that this altercation has no place in the game. We have different interpretations of the events though.

Here's what appears to happen:
1) Kadri lays a clean hit on Gaudreau
2) Jooris skates up to Kadri to defend his skilled teammate, making eye and verbal contact with Kadri indicating his displeasure. Jooris swings for the back of Kadri's leg with a slash. Kadri gets his arms up ready to tussle.
3) Uninjured, but mad, Gaudreau gets up and approaches Kadri from his blindside and gives a hard slash to Kadri's other ankle, causing him to collapse dramatically.
4) Jooris takes advantage of Kadri's prone position to put him into a headlock while he throws off his gloves to punch Kadri in the back of the head repeatedly.
5) A scrum ensues where Michalek and Marincin try to get in to defend Kadri.
6) Refs restore order by separating the offending players
7) Gaudreau mimes Kadri's defensive technique derisively

Penalties: - Gaudreau (slashing); Jooris (roughing); Kadri (unsportsmanlike conduct)

Here's what I would like to have seen:

1) Kadri lays a clean hit on Gaudreau
2) Uninjured, but mad, Gaudreau gets up and rejoins the play

OR

Kadri is secretly a street fighter, and sensing the impending two-pronged attack, lifts his leg to dodge Gaudreau's stick while socking him in the face with his left fist, and takes Jooris head on with a right jab and left hook combo. Because that'd be the hockey thing to do.

OR

All of that actually happens, but Gaudreau gets the minor for slashing and a minor for unsportsmanlike conduct; Jooris gets the minor for instigator, a major for fighting, and a game misconduct.

46.2 Aggressor ? The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player who continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling combatant.

A player must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no longer in a position to defend himself.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.

A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and suspension purposes.

A player who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game misconduct penalty (aggressor).

A player shouldn't have to defend a legal hit that does not injure a player, just because it looked and sounded big. Legal hits happen all the time as part of regular game flow. Jooris clearly initiates a fight that doesn't come to full fruition (because Gaudreau already took Kadri down), and continued the one-sided fisticuffs.

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Yeah, that wasn't turtling.  Turtling is if you start a fight then fall to the ice and cover yourself.  Kadri was jumped and never so much as got to turn around so he had to go into protection mode.  If he tries to get up in that scenario he opens himself up to potentially getting hit in the face by Jooris.
 
Are we seriously having a discussion about "being a man" in a scenario where someone delivered a body check and then a second person came in and threw slashes and then started a fight? 

Maybe Johnny Hockey needs to grow up and "be a man" and fight his own battles.  ::)
 
Potvin29 said:
Nylander with more points in this game than Ritchie has in 28.  I bet Don Cherry will re-consider, he's pretty rational.

Don Cherry?rational?.not quite?he is one of the most irrational folks around?.but I do love what he does for the troops, so all is forgiven
 
L K said:
Are we seriously having a discussion about "being a man" in a scenario where someone delivered a body check and then a second person came in and threw slashes and then started a fight? 

Maybe Johnny Hockey needs to grow up and "be a man" and fight his own battles.  ::)


Well I guess that the refs are starting to agree with me. Cause Kadri got a unsportsman penalty for embellishment.
 
freer said:
L K said:
Are we seriously having a discussion about "being a man" in a scenario where someone delivered a body check and then a second person came in and threw slashes and then started a fight? 

Maybe Johnny Hockey needs to grow up and "be a man" and fight his own battles.  ::)


Well I guess that the refs are starting to agree with me. Cause Kadri got a unsportsman penalty for embellishment.

Please tell me you honestly aren't this dumb.
 

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