Your ref blaming is over the top. The division is passing the leafs by. You can’t lose to bad teams. These let down games is exactly what has defined the Matthews era. They didn’t show up tonight. They weren’t ready to play. How can that happen when it’s such a dog fight in division. And we know they never in in Vancouver.
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Guilt Trip
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I was tempted to say something an hour ago but why bother. Some people always look for the negatives and that's all they post 90% of the time. When the Leafs do well or have good moments during the game....crickets.
Guilt Trip
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Rough game for him. I guess he was due at some point.
Frank E
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The soft goals that Bob should have stopped sucked the life out of the team early, then add in the turnovers and penalties with some underwhelming pressure on a young team, and you have a gift for Calgary fans.
On to Seattle.
On to Seattle.
herman
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Big difference this year from previous (see both clips)
This is a real team. They’ve got some execution stuff to sort out, and some injury obstacles to overcome, but this is a real team now, not just co-workers.
This is a real team. They’ve got some execution stuff to sort out, and some injury obstacles to overcome, but this is a real team now, not just co-workers.
Bender
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Can't overstate how important it is to take accountability, learn from it and move on. I'm still worried about Bob, but I like the rest of the team for the most part.
Bobrovsky's last Vezina was nearly ten years ago
Goalies start to tail off in their 30s
At 38, a Vezina season seems like very wishful thinking
Tim Thomas did it at 36, Fleury 35 - the oldest in recent times
Plante did it at 39 but NHL expansion played a factor in that.
A goalie can easily hit a wall anytime after 33. Their reaction time starts to tail off. Bobrovsky's fitness probably extends that.
Bobrovsky's been a little below average. A little above average is probably his high water mark.
I didn't think any of the goals last night were soft but a couple of them seemed stoppable - first one in particular where he butterflied down on an angled shot that went high. One of them seemed like a really good shot that would have eluded a bunch of NHLers.
rjd
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I'm glad you asked that question. I think sometimes we need to try and understand one another on this board a little more. Somebody posting a lot of negative comments might be an indicator of something else other than just that they are frustrated with the Leafs losing. Only way to really know for sure is to ask. If they don't offer up anything then that is on them, but if we don't try, then that is on us.
I think it's the way that comments about the negativity gets framed sometimes that causes the issue. This is all written word, which is a tough form of communication. Things can be interpreted differently. Most of humanities problems can be traced back to the fact that we just don't communicate well on the whole,, and it feels like we are getting worse in that area year by year.
All of us should keep in mind that we don't know the other people on the other side of the computer. You don't know what that person is going through. True, sometimes people only show up to post negative comments, but maybe that this their way of coping. It's on them to communicate where the negativity is coming from.
I know that I have been over the top in the past. When I have a chance to calm down, I do regret that. It's hard to articulate sometimes why I am so angry. For example, Ottawa games are tough for me. If the Leafs lose to Ottawa, the next day is a tough one. I have to put up with people who treat me like we are in high school, and that we are drinking buddies, and we are not. And if I say anything around trying to enforce my boundaries, well then I get labelled as a sore loser. The saying in Ottawa is that all Leaf fans are assholes, and quite honestly, I don't like being labelled an asshole. So if I spin out during an Ottawa game, try and keep in mind that the next couple of days are going to be bad for me, and there is very little I can do about it. I'll try and keep it in perspective, but I may fail, if other things in my life are weighing me down.
I bring this up because it ties into why I come here. For me, I just don't want to feel like I am alone in some of this. I sometimes feel like I am on an island here in Ottawa. Over the last couple of years, I've stopped advertising I am a Leaf fan because it just makes things so much easier. Sometimes it still comes out, because someone who knows will out me to a greater group. For example, I play two pick up games a week. Nobody I play hockey with knows I am a Leaf fan. Just don't want the hassle, because other people go other the top trying to twist the knife. I don't twist the knife on other people, and I don't want it twisted on me, but some people just don't understand that. I've actually said at a party "You found out I'm a Leaf fan an hour ago. In that hour you have done nothing but insult me because of the hockey team I follow. Which one of us do you think is the asshole in this scenario?"
When things are going bad though I come here because having someone provide counter spin to my spinning out of control actually helps. Then I get upset though because I have annoyed other people, and that isn't really my goal, so there is a happy medium in there somewhere that needs to found. Again, I could communicate better why I am spinning out of control.
My rambling here is that on the surface, the over the top negativity may be annoying but it may be coming from somewhere that we don't know about. Maybe the person wants the fight because that's how they get through it, maybe they just want to be heard so that it doesn't stay bottled up, or maybe they are just hyper competitive and can't take loses. We can brush it off, and make it a rule for the forum that you can't be over the top negative, but I think that will just lead to this forum becoming an echo chamber.
YYZ
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Sports fandom gives people an identity. A false identity but an identity none the less. If that identity is threatened in anyway, the negativity comes out. No one wants to be labeled a loser. "Your" team lost the game so therefor you are labeled a loser.
Listen to how people talk. "WE WON!" Really? WE won? What did you do? You sat on your couch and ate cheezy poofs. People have some twisted sort of entitlement of calling something theirs just because they invest their time, energy and money in sports team you have absolutely no control over and really nothing much to do with them.
As far as what people post here, that's up to them. If they feel the only contribution they can make to a discussion board is showing up with negative remarks, that's up to them.
At the end of the day, this is a discussion board. My old username (Guru Tugginmypuddah) pointed to the absurdity of the mental masturbation that goes on in a discussion board about a sports team that you have no control over. This board had no meaning and no purpose other than entertainment. Shoot the shit with a bunch of other people who happen to cheer for the same team. Makes some jokes, complain some, cheer some, get angry at Bob letting in three goals a game.
Ilya Bryzgalov said it best, "It is only game, why you hef to be mad?".
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