Franson signed (1 year, 2M)
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
If Ashton is going to bump either of those guys off it will be McLaren. The coaching staff loves Orr too much. So assuming McLaren gets sent down and the Leafs call up Ashton instead they will lose about $140k of cap space.
So in the scenario where the Leafs keep Fraser their cap space would go down to $193,333. Not that big of a deal. The team will be in a situation where they are praying nobody gets hurt regardless. If they send Fraser down it goes to $1,118,333. In this case they only have room for one call-up instead of two. Although if they had to make two call-ups they could also swap Ashton for McLaren temporarily.
So it won't be a huge difference, but considering how close to the cap they are the Leafs will have to take advantage of every saving that they can. So I think McLaren stays.
Champ Kind
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CarltonTheBear said:
This is great. Sorry for the kindergarten, er, ELKP 2 (sorry, early childhood education joke there) leve questions, but Mark Fraser would have to clear wavers to go down, right? I think that in this scenario Nonis should simply trade him for a third round pick (or whatever) becaiuse, honestly, I don't think he goes unclaimed.
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
He would have to go on waivers, yes. As for being claimed, who knows. With so many teams being close to the cap I'm not sure how many will be interested in a #6 defenceman who is making over $1mil. I suppose one of the few teams that do have the space might be interested but they'll have to be willing to give up a spot on their blueline that they might have given to a prospect that they want to develop.
Either way, if Fraser is claimed it's not really the end of the world. The team still has a lot of depth on the Marlies in Holzer, MacWilliam, Percy, Granberg, Brennan and Blacker who could easily fill in as a 6/7 guy. Really with that kind of depth I would much rather have him claimed and just gain the extra cap space.
And I'm not even trying to bash Fraser here. But right now there's 6 defencemen on the team that are better than him. And a bunch on the Marlies that could do his job and be cheaper. Next season a guy like MacWilliam or Granberg could even fill his role so it's likely the team lets him walk when his contract is up. I get that he's a physical presence, but we're up against the cap and there are going to be causalities. And Fraser is the easiest one to move.
Crucialness Key
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Snoop Lion said:
Surely it would be Gardiner-Franson / Fraser-Ranger?
Demoting Fraser is the way to go right now and probably
unlikely to be claimed.
The only issue is that Carlyle will never demote Fraser or even McLaren as despite all our preferences to that, the Division has loaded up on goons and Orr can't do that all himself. Carlyle in a sense created this mess (not Boston) and now, bad or bad, has to stick with mostly one dimensional players. I say send Liles down. No one is claiming him.
unlikely to be claimed.
The only issue is that Carlyle will never demote Fraser or even McLaren as despite all our preferences to that, the Division has loaded up on goons and Orr can't do that all himself. Carlyle in a sense created this mess (not Boston) and now, bad or bad, has to stick with mostly one dimensional players. I say send Liles down. No one is claiming him.
Flamboyant Worm
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I think any move that takes Fraser away from the front of the net is a mistake. To little value is placed on the possibility that he will knock you out if you take liberties with the leafs goalies. I know others can do this as well, but I don't want any of the other D taking over the job because they are unable or two valuable. And Fraser is responsible in his own end (see plus minus) and is tough enough to make our keepers feel protected
Corn Flake
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CarltonTheBear said:
I don't believe that is entirely true. With $333,333 in cap space, they can have injury call ups come in and only count against the cap on a daily basis. Their salary is not annualized against the cap automatically.
So say Carter Ashton comes up to play and his daily cap hit rate is $5k... it's only a cap hit of $5k x however many days he is up.
The Leafs can also play that game of demoting and recalling players in between games to save cap hit.
I could be wrong but pretty sure that this is how call ups are handled against the cap.
GhostofPotvin29
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Flamboyant Worm said:
Don't expect a repeat of that plus/minus.
Stickytape
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Wow, that's a pretty pleasant surprise. At least for now - it sure helps to complicate matters down the road. Interested to see how Nonis handles it all.
Meanwhile, though, I'm pumped!
Meanwhile, though, I'm pumped!
J
Jalili
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Crucialness Key said:
Either one is good.
J
Jalili
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Flamboyant Worm said:
I think that's what the Leaf brass are thinking too. I would expect Fraser to remain in the lineup simply because he provides that net-clearing presence and toughness.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
Actually, it is. The team's cap is calculated by adding what the team has spent against the cap to the remaining cap value of all the contracts on the active roster and IR. So, while a player is up with the team, the entirety of what's left of his cap hit for that season counts against the cap. Teams can not have their accrued spending and remaining cap values exceed $64.3M (bonus cushion notwithstanding) at any point this season - though, allowances are normally granted for off days.
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
*brain freeze*
Not quite sure I follow but okay.. what about the old emergency injury call-up? There was a max 10 game (or in that range) window where a player could be called up without a full season's cap hit counting.
Peter D.
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Since we're bringing up cap implications, can someone clarify what happens if you retain salary. For instance, if the Leafs trade Liles and say they are retaining $1 million of his salary against the cap, does that pertain to each year remaining on his deal or strictly this year?
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
The emergency call up is complicated. Firstly, the team has to play a game without being able to ice 18 skaters and 2 goalies because of the cap. After that, they can recall players without having them count against the cap, BUT, those players can only carry a cap hit of the league minimum + $100K or less (so, $650K this season). So, something like that would not apply to Ashton. The only players the Leafs could recall in such a situation would be Colborne, Smith, Abbott, Carrick, Gibson, Bodie, Brennan, Lasch, McIntyre, Broll, Crescenzi or Marshall.
bustaheims
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Peter D. said:
It would be for every season remaining on the deal.
Coco-puffs
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Peter D. said:
I haven't seen a clear indication if you can only retain salary in the current year and not the rest of the contract. But you can definitely retain salary over the life of the contract. From Capgeek.com:
Teams can retain a percentage of a contract?s remaining cap hit, salary and bonuses in trades. The following stipulations apply:
- No more than 50 per cent of the salary/cap hit can be retained
- Salary/cap hit cannot be retained on more than three contracts in one season
- The aggregate cap hits retained cannot exceed 15 per cent of the upper limit
- A contract can be traded only twice where salary/cap hit is retained
So if we retain part of Liles salary in a trade, we can't have anymore Retained Salary Transactions this year as Scrivens and Frattin have both had part of the salaries retained by the Leafs.