Game 31: Toronto Maple Leafs @ Buffalo Sabres L5-4

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't think you can argue with the call too much from behind/boarding/what have you. I think if that's Chara on Kessel we're all fine with it being five and a match.

Really effin' stupid on Phaneuf's part.

Trying to argue on top of just my pro-Leafs bias, Chara is also close to a foot taller than Kessel and 50 or so pounds heavier, whereas Kassian and Phaneuf are roughly similar size.

While when you're from behind the size becomes less of an issue, when its a judgment call for a referee, I'm sure Chara hitting Kessel from behind is going to be judged to be more vicious than 2 players of a similar size and, presumably, strength.

 

[lamajama]

Canucks #1 on the PP.

:-X

 

[Kin]

Stompin' Tom Connors is rolling over in his grave.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This is getting ridiculous. Our pk is going to do us in this year.

Well i wasn't referring to that goal. But since you brought it up, it was a bad goal by Reimer, and yes it had to do with pk. Would they have had that pressure on if we were even strength? Me thinks not!

That one was nothing to do with the PK.

What pressure?  It was an unscreened shot from the face-off circle.

 

[lamajama]

Reimer is brutal right now and Gus should start the 3rd.

Brutal PK or not and he's sucking.

 

[Courtnall]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

You know I mentioned this during November and got chewed out since at the time they were doing decent on the pk. Dupuis doesn't deserve a roster spot. We have the worst pk in the league now and he plays the most on the pk. Try something different for crying out loud. If our pk was better then keep him around but it sucks, it totally blows, it's fn brutal!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

You know I mentioned this during November and got chewed out since at the time they were doing decent on the pk. Dupuis doesn't deserve a roster spot. We have the worst pk in the league now and he plays the most on the pk. Try something different for crying out loud. If our pk was better then keep him around but it sucks, it totally blows, it's fn brutal!

Steckel has most SH TOI among forwards.  Dupuis is 2nd.

Out of all the forward PKers who have had any significant time, teams are scoring less goals/60 mins on the PK with Dupuis on the ice than with any other forward on.

 

[Kin]

Trying to argue on top of just my pro-Leafs bias, Chara is also close to a foot taller than Kessel and 50 or so pounds heavier, whereas Kassian and Phaneuf are roughly similar size.

I was just using it as an example of an opponent hitting a Leaf. Feel free to replace that with PK Subban on Kessel if it makes my point clearer.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

Just because Dupuis doesn't score doesn't mean he's one of our worst players. Dupuis has been on the ice for 9 of the teams 28 powerplay goals against, while getting the 4th most ice-time. If the rest of the team was that effective the PK wouldn't be such a mess.

 

[Fanatic]

As the game started the announcer says that the Sabres powerplay has been struggling. But as usual, playing the Leafs seems to solve a lot of other teams woes.

 

[Courtnall]

This is getting ridiculous. Our pk is going to do us in this year.

Well i wasn't referring to that goal. But since you brought it up, it was a bad goal by Reimer, and yes it had to do with pk. Would they have had that pressure on if we were even strength? Me thinks not!

That one was nothing to do with the PK.

What pressure?  It was an unscreened shot from the face-off circle.

I get it, you don't like me. Every time I post something you specifically jump all over it. I don't know why you feel the need to argue every single thing I say. I'm entitled to my opinions regardless if you agree with them or not. I agree it was a bad goal by Reimer, but The leafs were defending in their zone during a pk, I'm sorry if I consider that pressure. Please accept my sincere apology.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Trying to argue on top of just my pro-Leafs bias, Chara is also close to a foot taller than Kessel and 50 or so pounds heavier, whereas Kassian and Phaneuf are roughly similar size.

I was just using it as an example of an opponent hitting a Leaf. Feel free to replace that with PK Subban on Kessel if it makes my point clearer.

If Kessel just skated away from it I'd probably be fine with a 2:00 PP, although I wouldn't be upset if it was 5 and a game (but that would just be straight up bias anyways).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This is getting ridiculous. Our pk is going to do us in this year.

Well i wasn't referring to that goal. But since you brought it up, it was a bad goal by Reimer, and yes it had to do with pk. Would they have had that pressure on if we were even strength? Me thinks not!

That one was nothing to do with the PK.

What pressure?  It was an unscreened shot from the face-off circle.

I get it, you don't like me. Every time I post something you specifically jump all over it. I don't know why you feel the need to argue every single thing I say. I'm entitled to my opinions regardless if you agree with them or not.

I'm not sure why you would think disagreeing with you is somehow telling you that you are not entitled to your opinions.

If you don't want me to reply to things you say, I guess don't say things I disagree with or feel like commenting on?  I certainly don't specifically try to reply to your posts, I can't even remember you beyond this game day thread to be honest, so no need to be offended.

 

[Courtnall]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

You know I mentioned this during November and got chewed out since at the time they were doing decent on the pk. Dupuis doesn't deserve a roster spot. We have the worst pk in the league now and he plays the most on the pk. Try something different for crying out loud. If our pk was better then keep him around but it sucks, it totally blows, it's fn brutal!

Steckel has most SH TOI among forwards.  Dupuis is 2nd.

Out of all the forward PKers who have had any significant time, teams are scoring less goals/60 mins on the PK with Dupuis on the ice than with any other forward on.

Seriously? Do you not get what I'm saying? I hope you feel better about yourself now for pointing that out.

 

[Palmateer29]

Reimer is brutal right now and Gus should start the 3rd.

Brutal PK or not and he's sucking.

Lots of sucking tonight.

The call on Dupuis was not good, it was a follow through on a clearing attempt.

Macarthur's penalty on my team would have him on the 4th line for the rest of the night. Completely stupid and lazy penalty that changed the whole game.

Dupuis is pretty much crap in general...yes he's okay killing the penalty but is that enough to play only shorthanded the whole game. Even strength he's useless. 

For the 2 minutes a period Franson plays I'd rather see Aulie but I guess we will see how he takes the extra minutes in the third.

Liles is WAY over rated. Okay offensively once in a while but really soft in the defensive zone.

I have to agree Reimer is not looking good tonight at all. I know Gus is playing tomorrow night but maybe a third period will help him get warmed up early.

On the opposite side I've loved Frattin, Bozak and Crabe tonight. Oh yeah the call on Bozak not really great either. Should have been the 2 minute dive added to that one.

 

[Kin]

If Kessel just skated away from it I'd probably be fine with a 2:00 PP, although I wouldn't be upset if it was 5 and a game (but that would just be straight up bias anyways).

I think it would be fair to say it was borderline, sure, and I don't think that's a question of bias. I just think that when something is borderline you can't complain too much if it falls down on the wrong side for you.

Again, to me, it's more that it was definitely a penalty, it buried the team and our captain was to blame. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Palmateer29]

Trying to argue on top of just my pro-Leafs bias, Chara is also close to a foot taller than Kessel and 50 or so pounds heavier, whereas Kassian and Phaneuf are roughly similar size.

I think Chara has a no hit clause on anyone over 6'1"....

I was just using it as an example of an opponent hitting a Leaf. Feel free to replace that with PK Subban on Kessel if it makes my point clearer.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

You know I mentioned this during November and got chewed out since at the time they were doing decent on the pk. Dupuis doesn't deserve a roster spot. We have the worst pk in the league now and he plays the most on the pk. Try something different for crying out loud. If our pk was better then keep him around but it sucks, it totally blows, it's fn brutal!

Steckel has most SH TOI among forwards.  Dupuis is 2nd.

Out of all the forward PKers who have had any significant time, teams are scoring less goals/60 mins on the PK with Dupuis on the ice than with any other forward on.

Seriously? Do you not get what I'm saying? I hope you feel better about yourself now for pointing that out.

Yes, you are saying that Dupuis sucks and shouldn't be on the PK, and I am trying to use stats to show you that Dupuis has not sucked on the PK.

 

[Deebo]

Kassian is having his way with Gardiner.

 

[Palmateer29]

Someone tell me why Dupuis gets to play in the NHL, he can't score and he is a cornerstone to the worst PK in western civilization. 

He doesn't score, we get it. But statistically speaking Dupuis is the best of the bunch of our penalty killers. Not saying much obviously though.

Its saying nothing, he is big part of the ineptitude out there.  Why take one of your worst players and put him on the ice when the team has a disadvantage, it isn't work, change it.

You know I mentioned this during November and got chewed out since at the time they were doing decent on the pk. Dupuis doesn't deserve a roster spot. We have the worst pk in the league now and he plays the most on the pk. Try something different for crying out loud. If our pk was better then keep him around but it sucks, it totally blows, it's fn brutal!

Steckel has most SH TOI among forwards.  Dupuis is 2nd.

Out of all the forward PKers who have had any significant time, teams are scoring less goals/60 mins on the PK with Dupuis on the ice than with any other forward on.

Seriously? Do you not get what I'm saying? I hope you feel better about yourself now for pointing that out.

Yes, you are saying that Dupuis sucks and shouldn't be on the PK, and I am trying to use stats to show you that Dupuis has not sucked on the PK.

So they have changed their whole 'defensive'scheme short-handed, they have changed the personel, they changed all the special teams coaches so where does the problem stem from?