BermudaBudsFan
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How do you trust him now? A value contract should equate to a decent return.Bullfrog said:
Game 7: Leafs @ Bruins - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050
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Highlander
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Kadri is gone! he is a liability to the team. Once forgivable, twice just idiotic and who needs an idiot on their team?......wait Edmonton!!!!Guilt Trip said:
Bullfrog said:
Well yeah, it's discounted because he doesn't play in the playoffs
What Kadri has done is the epitome of the selfish crap that Babcock, Dubas, and Shanahan say is unacceptable.
I like him and his contract. Moving him is a result of his selfishness and the fact that we would get full value on him.
Highlander
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Agreed and said it before Gardiner is a playoff disaster, that turn over was something a 6 year old in bantam would do. By Jake and thanks for saving us 6 million.Guilt Trip said:
Guilt Trip
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Agree, he has been a disaster the last 2 playoffs. He's got to go. I have a funny feeling Sandin is making this team next season.Highlander said:
BrownRolo
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You don't trade Naz. The whole point is having 3 good centres on this team. Reunite Matthews with Nylander. Stick Kappy and Moore with Naz and you will see the poyential.
If I'm Dubas I give Babcock one more year. His coaching seems fine but his lineup choices are baffling. Take away his favourites. I pray to God Marleau is done and there is some agreement there. Get rid of Brown, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Goat.
If I'm Dubas I give Babcock one more year. His coaching seems fine but his lineup choices are baffling. Take away his favourites. I pray to God Marleau is done and there is some agreement there. Get rid of Brown, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Goat.
Well...I'm at a loss for words. Disappointing is the only word that comes to mind.
On paper, this is one of the best teams I've seen in my lifetime. However, as proven time in and time out, what is good on paper is absolutely irrelevant in the playoffs.
I'm at a loss for words as to why we are done. On the ice, our top players didn't play that badly overall in the series. Matthews showed up, Rielly was good.
Andersen played well enough for us to win this in 6 games. We didn't lose this series because of the usual scapegoats (i.e. Hainsey/Zaitsev/Marleau/Goat etc.). We also didn't lose because Bergeron, Marchand and Pasternak scored a boat load of goals between them, which is what I would have expected in a 7 game series loss - Tavares/Marner/Hyman kept them mostly in check. We didn't lose because we were out muscled or out hustled. We won 2 (TWO!!!) games on their turf, so home ice was mostly irrelevant. Our defensive system was brutal at times, but in my opinion was not reason number 1 why we lost.
I just don't understand what i just saw over the last 7 games and conclude definitely on how or why our season ended. We should still be playing. I don't know what just happened.
On paper, this is one of the best teams I've seen in my lifetime. However, as proven time in and time out, what is good on paper is absolutely irrelevant in the playoffs.
I'm at a loss for words as to why we are done. On the ice, our top players didn't play that badly overall in the series. Matthews showed up, Rielly was good.
Andersen played well enough for us to win this in 6 games. We didn't lose this series because of the usual scapegoats (i.e. Hainsey/Zaitsev/Marleau/Goat etc.). We also didn't lose because Bergeron, Marchand and Pasternak scored a boat load of goals between them, which is what I would have expected in a 7 game series loss - Tavares/Marner/Hyman kept them mostly in check. We didn't lose because we were out muscled or out hustled. We won 2 (TWO!!!) games on their turf, so home ice was mostly irrelevant. Our defensive system was brutal at times, but in my opinion was not reason number 1 why we lost.
I just don't understand what i just saw over the last 7 games and conclude definitely on how or why our season ended. We should still be playing. I don't know what just happened.
AvroArrow said:Bullfrog said:
Well yeah, it's discounted because he doesn't play in the playoffs
What Kadri has done is the epitome of the selfish crap that Babcock, Dubas, and Shanahan say is unacceptable.
I like him and his contract. Moving him is a result of his selfishness and the fact that we would get full value on him.
Yep...what use is that great value contract if the player is unavailable for the most important part of the year because of his inability to control his emotions. Plus, he seemed off all year, maybe because of his reduced role with the arrival of Tavares.
hockeyfan1
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New era Leafs, same old results.
Not quite, as many have outlined, butthe Leafs absolutely need to make some changes, both on the defensive & offensive front.
According to HNIC?s Ron McLean, he made a passing mention of Marner, Tavares, and Hyman playing hurt. That precisely illustrates why changes, adjustments need to be done in order so that the team is more well-balanced to give out the support necessary in all departments.
Kadri?s suspension to some sounded like dejā vu and the fact that he became a non-factor for the team also emphasizes how his absence may have impeded the Leafs taking the series. Kadri and Nylander had good symmetry on that line in Game 1. One can only stipulate the what if, what if he hadn?t been suspended, would it have changed anything and on what scale?
This whole series was over after the Game 6 loss. The Leafs should have won that one. They failed to grasp opportunity. Not just the team per se but the coaching staff.
That look of Shanahan?s in the dying minutes of the game could be read by a mile.
Back to the drawing board.
Not quite, as many have outlined, butthe Leafs absolutely need to make some changes, both on the defensive & offensive front.
According to HNIC?s Ron McLean, he made a passing mention of Marner, Tavares, and Hyman playing hurt. That precisely illustrates why changes, adjustments need to be done in order so that the team is more well-balanced to give out the support necessary in all departments.
Kadri?s suspension to some sounded like dejā vu and the fact that he became a non-factor for the team also emphasizes how his absence may have impeded the Leafs taking the series. Kadri and Nylander had good symmetry on that line in Game 1. One can only stipulate the what if, what if he hadn?t been suspended, would it have changed anything and on what scale?
This whole series was over after the Game 6 loss. The Leafs should have won that one. They failed to grasp opportunity. Not just the team per se but the coaching staff.
That look of Shanahan?s in the dying minutes of the game could be read by a mile.
Back to the drawing board.
mr grieves
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BermudaBudsFan said:
I have no idea what his teammates feel. But I've a strong suspicion that Matthews cares a lot more about how me he was playing than about how much a guy who hasn't been on the bench for almost 2 weeks was.
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Hyman averaged several more minutes per game this series than Nylander. All things being equal, that is pretty nuts. Kadri's absence does not explain Babcock's inability to adjust his approach.
We need a coach capable of assigning ice-time and roles relative to the skill and ability of the players. The "I play veterans I like regardless of their ability" approach to line-up management should no longer cut it.
Given the Leafs' on-paper talent, nobody should be satisfied with historically subpar special teams, inexplicable line-ups and antiquated offensive systems. They were built to win this year and massively underperformed. Heads should roll.
We need a coach capable of assigning ice-time and roles relative to the skill and ability of the players. The "I play veterans I like regardless of their ability" approach to line-up management should no longer cut it.
Given the Leafs' on-paper talent, nobody should be satisfied with historically subpar special teams, inexplicable line-ups and antiquated offensive systems. They were built to win this year and massively underperformed. Heads should roll.
mr grieves
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pmrules said:
I agree they didn't lose because of the scapegoats -- none did anything to so negatively impact the team that they caused the Leafs to lose the series -- but they didn't do anything to help the team win. I saw a series where the Leafs no depth scoring and had nothing on special teams. Hard to see winning a playoff round without that.
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My definition of success this season was winning a playoff round. We really should have taken that step. The fact that we didn't get blown out/collapse in any game this series is a slight consolation. The fact that Matthews proved he can bring it in the playoffs is cause for real optimism. But the fact that we could have won the series at home and came up with a less than 100% effort is unforgivable. He needs to be willing to re-invent himself in certain areas.
I said somewhere else that Babcock doesn't get the last 10% out of the team. That's obviously just a loose metaphor, but tonight's game -- again! -- shows you cannot give yourself less than a 100% chance to win in the playoffs. As soon as they went down 3-1 in the 3rd it should have been Marner + Matthews + Nylander + Tavares in some combo for 2/3ds of the remaining ice time. What we got instead was Matthews ending up with 6 minutes. It should have been closer to 9, maybe even 10.
The Stanley Cup is the hardest championship to win in pro sports by a country mile. Babcock is one of the few who's won it, so the idea that he's a terrible coach is just ludicrous. But I hope he takes a hard look in the mirror this off-season because he needs to take responsibility for the things Grieves just pointed out: no adjustments to make up for the loss of Kadri and no adjustments for the lapses on the PK and the continuing momentum-killing PPs.
I said somewhere else that Babcock doesn't get the last 10% out of the team. That's obviously just a loose metaphor, but tonight's game -- again! -- shows you cannot give yourself less than a 100% chance to win in the playoffs. As soon as they went down 3-1 in the 3rd it should have been Marner + Matthews + Nylander + Tavares in some combo for 2/3ds of the remaining ice time. What we got instead was Matthews ending up with 6 minutes. It should have been closer to 9, maybe even 10.
The Stanley Cup is the hardest championship to win in pro sports by a country mile. Babcock is one of the few who's won it, so the idea that he's a terrible coach is just ludicrous. But I hope he takes a hard look in the mirror this off-season because he needs to take responsibility for the things Grieves just pointed out: no adjustments to make up for the loss of Kadri and no adjustments for the lapses on the PK and the continuing momentum-killing PPs.
hockeyfan1
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We were expecting this (weren?t we)? Weren?t we!!?? 
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hockeyfan1
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Ohhh...
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Babcock
Smith
Hiller
Marleau
Kadri
Goat
Brown
Ennis
Gardiner
Zaitsev
Ozhiganov
Hainsey
Marincin
I hope we?ve seen the last of all of these. I?d potentially give Babcock one more year with new assistant coaches, although ideally I?d like Keefe to get a look first. He would be best placed to plug guys from the Marlies into the big team ala Cooper in Tampa.
Smith
Hiller
Marleau
Kadri
Goat
Brown
Ennis
Gardiner
Zaitsev
Ozhiganov
Hainsey
Marincin
I hope we?ve seen the last of all of these. I?d potentially give Babcock one more year with new assistant coaches, although ideally I?d like Keefe to get a look first. He would be best placed to plug guys from the Marlies into the big team ala Cooper in Tampa.
hockeyfan1
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Very telling...
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hockeyfan1
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Ask Mike about it...
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