General Leafs Talk: Post-Olympics Edition

[Tigger]

Sure, but then you wouldn't have Bolland, which was the reason for buying out Grabo, no?

Which, outside of the cap implications, doesn't look it would really have been much of a loss for the team. Bolland really didn't provide much for them.

But with him, I think Bolland would have been a successful trade, if it we could have seen this freak accident with his injury coming. He fit better on the 3rd line than did Grabovski, in my opinion.

Yeah but Kadri being protected some also allowed for a bit more offense from him/his line. I mean, sure once the decision to bring in Bolland occurred something had to happen but still, it wasn't the right one at the time to me.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yup, that was not played correctly in terms of cap chess, instead of being stuck with Grabbo ( if you want to say it that way ) now the Leafs are stuck with Clarkson and Gleason.

And that's a part that bugs me.  I'm not necessarily against them spending to the cap this season, but I think the way they did it (because I've always been a big Grabovski fan) made the team worse in the pursuit of 'intangibles', for lack of a better word, and in pursuit of attributes that I don't think they appreciated could be attained through players they already had.  For instance, I think Grabovski was plenty physical and willing to go to the dirty areas (how many times did he take a big hit to make a play? Tons), but once he was gone those sorts of things were held up as qualities Bolland had.

Ahh well, it's all over now baby blue.  Can't do much about it.

 

[Tigger]

Yup, that was not played correctly in terms of cap chess, instead of being stuck with Grabbo ( if you want to say it that way ) now the Leafs are stuck with Clarkson and Gleason.

And that's a part that bugs me.  I'm not necessarily against them spending to the cap this season, but I think the way they did it (because I've always been a big Grabovski fan) made the team worse in the pursuit of 'intangibles', for lack of a better word, and in pursuit of attributes that I don't think they appreciated could be attained through players they already had.  For instance, I think Grabovski was plenty physical and willing to go to the dirty areas (how many times did he take a big hit to make a play? Tons), but once he was gone those sorts of things were held up as qualities Bolland had.

Ahh well, it's all over now baby blue.  Can't do much about it.

Agreed, all I can do is lament the new non-Komisarek shaped boat anchors and move on.

 

[Kin]

I agree with all that. If Clarkson would have played better and kept the 2nd line spot and Kulemin and Raymond provided solid 3rd line play, it would look better financially. Wasn't Clarkson getting decent PP time in Jersey? Not that that is the reason his totals are down, even if he would have gotten PP time here this season, I don't think the difference would have been drastic.

There's no getting around how bad the Clarkson deal looks right now. As often and as loudly as people want to say it, there's no way to ignore the damage that is done when you pay someone premium free agent prices and they respond with a AHL quality season.

But as bad as that deal looks, there's limits to the extent that the Clarkson deal can then be tied to other decisions to make them look worse in the aggregate.

 

[AvroArrow]

Yup, that was not played correctly in terms of cap chess, instead of being stuck with Grabbo ( if you want to say it that way ) now the Leafs are stuck with Clarkson and Gleason.

Good lord, what a brutal offseason... WTF Nonis?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

There's no getting around how bad the Clarkson deal looks right now. As often and as loudly as people want to say it, there's no way to ignore the damage that is done when you pay someone premium free agent prices and they respond with a AHL quality season.

But as bad as that deal looks, there's limits to the extent that the Clarkson deal can then be tied to other decisions to make them look worse in the aggregate.

Yup on both counts. He's not going anywhere, so we can only look forward to the awesome season he's going to have next year.

 

[ZBBM]

There's no getting around how bad the Clarkson deal looks right now. As often and as loudly as people want to say it, there's no way to ignore the damage that is done when you pay someone premium free agent prices and they respond with a AHL quality season.

ECHL quality.  Seriously.  He was unbelievably awful.  Aside from that nice goal a few games ago, I literally cringed practically every time he got the puck.  He really ought to apologize to Leafs fans for his performance.

 

[ZBBM]

There's no getting around how bad the Clarkson deal looks right now. As often and as loudly as people want to say it, there's no way to ignore the damage that is done when you pay someone premium free agent prices and they respond with a AHL quality season.

But as bad as that deal looks, there's limits to the extent that the Clarkson deal can then be tied to other decisions to make them look worse in the aggregate.

Yup on both counts. He's not going anywhere, so we can only look forward to the awesome season he's going to have next year.

Which had better start on the 4th line and stay there unless and until he proves he deserves more.

 

[Kin]

ECHL quality.  Seriously.  He was unbelievably awful.  Aside from that nice goal a few games ago, I literally cringed practically every time he got the puck.  He really ought to apologize to Leafs fans for his performance.

You get that the "as often and as loudly" part of my post wasn't a challenge, right?

 

[ZBBM]

ECHL quality.  Seriously.  He was unbelievably awful.  Aside from that nice goal a few games ago, I literally cringed practically every time he got the puck.  He really ought to apologize to Leafs fans for his performance.

You get that the "as often and as loudly" part of my post wasn't a challenge, right?

Just imparting proper calibration to the mob dynamics.  It's merely a technical correction.

 

[Kin]

ECHL quality.  Seriously.  He was unbelievably awful.  Aside from that nice goal a few games ago, I literally cringed practically every time he got the puck.  He really ought to apologize to Leafs fans for his performance.

You get that the "as often and as loudly" part of my post wasn't a challenge, right?

Just imparting proper calibration to the mob dynamics.  It's merely a technical correction.

And the ghosts of Tyler Seguin's Maple Leaf career wail, unloved and forgotten. Tsk tsk.

 

[nutman]

Another big loss from last season was Komorov , this guy was a hitting machine, and helped keep the tempo up in games. Lets hope the GM has enough brains in his head to bring him back. maybe since were stuck with Clarkson, he can rub off a bit on him.

I need to see the Coach and his team of assistant clowns gone. I also am not a fan of Deon, and I hope someone out there would make a pitch for him. Orr see ya. As for the defence ..... Big overhaul comes to mind.

 

[mr grieves]

Another big loss from last season was Komorov , this guy was a hitting machine, and helped keep the tempo up in games. Lets hope the GM has enough brains in his head to bring him back. maybe since were stuck with Clarkson, he can rub off a bit on him.

Clarkson's been a disappointment, sure, but consigning him to the joy division seems a bit harsh. And for $64,000 a night you could probably do better.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Wonder how differently things look or don't look if these moves were made/not made: http://theleafsnation.com/2014/4/9/listicle-4-maple-leafs-season-killing-offseason-mistakes-that-could-have-been-easily-avoided

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Congrats to Colton Orr for making history:

@SportsnetTicker 

#Leafs Colton Orr becomes just the 3rd player in NHL history to play 54+ games in a season and record 0 points.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Showtime Nazzy.

@FriedgeHNIC  4m
Nazem Kadri will join the HNIC panel for Saturday night's CLB/PIT broadcast.

 

[Redleaf]

That 'game seven' third period collapse against the Bruins last year appears less and less ugly with every Boston playoff series win.

Bruins last 5 playoff series...

Bruins -Leafs (BOS wins in 7 *in OT)
Bruins -Rangers  (BOS wins in 5)
Bruins -Penguins  (BOS wins in 4)
Bruins -Blackhawks  (CHI wins Cup in 6)
Bruins -Redwings  (BOS wins in 5)

 

[Kin]

That 'game seven' third period collapse against the Bruins last year appears less and less ugly with every Boston playoff series win.

Why? Nobody doubted Boston was a good team. It's still the only collapse of its kind in NHL history. It might appear less flukey but that's hardly a good thing.

 

[Redleaf]

That 'game seven' third period collapse against the Bruins last year appears less and less ugly with every Boston playoff series win.

Why? Nobody doubted Boston was a good team. It's still the only collapse of its kind in NHL history. It might appear less flukey but that's hardly a good thing.

I was speaking more from a psychological standpoint. As large and as magnified as that collapse was made to be after the fact, the Leafs were the only team, besides the cup winners, to even take this Bruins team past five games in a series. To lose out in 7 in OT, no matter what the circumstance, is still not bad.

Yeah the collapse wasn't pretty, but this team can hold their heads high for just going the distance with a club that is ripping into some decent opponents, and  in short order.

However you wish to frame that though, is certainly up to you....

 

[Kin]

I regret asking.